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Old 03-25-2013, 09:38   #1
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Why is DHS hoarding ammunition?

You can hardly miss the many stories about DHS buying billions of rounds of ammunition (hollowpoints) for "practice." What the heck is going on?
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Old 03-25-2013, 13:52   #2
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My understanding is that, the federal government has contracted for "options" of billions of rounds of popular calibers and trying to overwhelm ammo manufacturers, in order to keep ammo off the store shelves. Just a trickle is actually making it to store shelves, it appears. I guess that, if the government buys up virtually ALL ammo, then they can control where it ultimately is used.

I haven't seen a more reasonable explanation to date.
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Old 03-25-2013, 14:23   #3
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If you look at the RFP it appears that DHS wrote it to purchase "up to" a collective 1.6 billion rounds. DHS does practice with duty ammo and do not use the FMJ rounds most of us use for cost effectiveness. Given that, it hardly explains why regular target ammo is nowhere to be found. I have no trouble finding JHP rounds around my part of the world. However, up to 1.6B of anything is a huge number.
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Old 03-25-2013, 15:06   #4
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My understanding is that, the federal government has contracted for "options" of billions of rounds of popular calibers and trying to overwhelm ammo manufacturers, in order to keep ammo off the store shelves. Just a trickle is actually making it to store shelves, it appears. I guess that, if the government buys up virtually ALL ammo, then they can control where it ultimately is used.

I haven't seen a more reasonable explanation to date.
This.

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Old 03-25-2013, 15:50   #5
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My understanding is that, the federal government has contracted for "options" of billions of rounds of popular calibers and trying to overwhelm ammo manufacturers, in order to keep ammo off the store shelves. Just a trickle is actually making it to store shelves, it appears. I guess that, if the government buys up virtually ALL ammo, then they can control where it ultimately is used.

I haven't seen a more reasonable explanation to date.
I believe this also. It is like commodity trading. They don't actually have to own the ammo to control the commodity, they only need to own the option.
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I believe this also. It is like commodity trading. They don't actually have to own the ammo to control the commodity, they only need to own the option.
Such contracts have a delivery date. You must either sell the option by the delivery date or take delivery of the commodity.
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Old 03-25-2013, 16:27   #7
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My understanding is that, the federal government has contracted for "options" of billions of rounds of popular calibers and trying to overwhelm ammo manufacturers, in order to keep ammo off the store shelves. Just a trickle is actually making it to store shelves, it appears. I guess that, if the government buys up virtually ALL ammo, then they can control where it ultimately is used.

I haven't seen a more reasonable explanation to date.
They have cornered the market and will sell it back to the suppliers at a huge profit.
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Old 03-26-2013, 12:21   #8
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My understanding is that, the federal government has contracted for "options" of billions of rounds of popular calibers and trying to overwhelm ammo manufacturers, in order to keep ammo off the store shelves. Just a trickle is actually making it to store shelves, it appears. I guess that, if the government buys up virtually ALL ammo, then they can control where it ultimately is used.

I haven't seen a more reasonable explanation to date.
I disagree.
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I disagree.
Yup....nothing more than the product of mass hoarding.

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Yup....nothing more than the product of mass hoarding.
When is it hoarding?
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When is it hoarding?
When people start buying it just because it is available which is in drastic contrast to the market norm.
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When is it hoarding?
When other people are willing and able to pay for more something than you are.
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I disagree.
I can't speak for the situation nationwide, and it's still not necessarily of some manipulative govt conspiracy either way, but in our area at least, deliveries are definitely down to 'trickle' level at best. There's not nearly as much being delivered to either the walmart store, the gun shop, the ace hardware or the local pawn shops as there was a few months ago.

There's definitely panic-buying so demand is up, but supply is measurably down as well; again at least in my immediate area.
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Old 03-25-2013, 14:45   #14
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You can hardly miss the many stories about DHS buying billions of rounds of ammunition (hollowpoints) for "practice." What the heck is going on?
The stories are distortions of fact - that's what's going on.

The reality is that in the last 5 months more guns have been sold than in the last 2 years combined - many if not most to first time gun owners. This has resulted in unprecedented demand for ammo. Add in the hoarding from the "OMG the world is ending crowd" and the net result is ammo shortages and stupid prices.
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Old 03-25-2013, 15:05   #15
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I honestly think the DHS purchase stuff is a distraction. As usual with stories like this there is just enough facts mixed in to convince many that there is really something to worry about but IMHO it is a giant nothing sandwich.

IMHO we have plenty of other REAL threats to be worried about like the so called universal background checks that is more likely to pass than folks realize and will negatively impact us in ways most haven't even imagined yet and lead to national registry (confiscation) upon subsequent tragedies.

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Old 03-25-2013, 17:26   #16
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Lets look at the Big picture.....Ammo, Mrap Assault Ambush Armored vehicles, approval to kill American citizens with Drones.....so all joking aside....they refuse to answer to congress.....what's with this ?
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Lets look at the Big picture.....Ammo, Mrap Assault Ambush Armored vehicles, approval to kill American citizens with Drones.....so all joking aside....they refuse to answer to congress.....what's with this ?
Can you say Nazi Germany??
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Old 03-27-2013, 15:53   #18
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Can you say Nazi Germany??
Can you say, "DUH?"

Because, you haven't a grasp on the situation beause you know nothing but assume everything?

Let me break it down for you.

The Federal Law Enforcement Aacement, otherwise known as FLETC pumps through people who probably have never handled a firearm before. They put a lot of rounds down range to create a proficient shooter before they can graduate.

They have always used JHP's, under the motto, "train like you fight, fight like you train."

Now, for all the entities out there, qualifications are held not once, not twice, but four times per annual year. For a pistol alone that is at least 52 fired rounds, sometimes more depending on the qualification course, Then you have drills. Steel, downed and disabled and all kinds of high speed shooting that goes into a full training day.

Next, you have on top of that duty ammo issued to insure all magazines are filled prior to leaving the range and practice ammo to retain proficiency in addition to that.

Now, multiply that over a couple hundred thousand agents and officers. Now multiply that concept that shotguns and long arms come into the equation.

If you really want to be paranoid consider the hierarchy of ammuntion purchase in the United States:

1. The Military. They purchase billions upon billions of ordinance monthly.

2. Then all the Law Enforcement.

3. Then all the Sky is Falling People.

Ammuntion manufacturers love contracts as that is guaranteed money.

So, the Military gets first whack

Then LEO's

Then the Sky is Falling People.

There was plenty to go around until the Sky is Falling People panicked and overwhelmed a system that was already straining from large contract obligations.

No one is comming to get you. You aren't that imporant.

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Lets look at the Big picture.....Ammo, Mrap Assault Ambush Armored vehicles, approval to kill American citizens with Drones.....so all joking aside....they refuse to answer to congress.....what's with this ?


All joking aside? You making yourself look like a loony.
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All joking aside? You making yourself look like a loony.
Between 1933 and 1939, there were a lot of alarmists in Germany who were concerned about what was happening to the German culture and government. Of course, the Nazis mocked them and called them "loonies."
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