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Old 03-18-2013, 13:21   #1
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I Am Not a "Sheepdog"

I saw this video posted on another forum. What do you folks think?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=AldptFMs2AM
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Old 03-18-2013, 13:35   #2
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I saw this video posted on another forum. What do you folks think?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=AldptFMs2AM

I'm not either. I have no duty or obligation to protect anyone outside of my family. Why open myself to personal and financial harm for someone else who won't take their personal defense seriously and they would most likely not pee in my ear if my head was on fire if the shoe was on the other foot.
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he makes some valid points, but he could have done it in about 2 minutes vice the seven+ that he blathered on...
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Old 03-18-2013, 13:43   #4
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he makes some valid points, but he could have done it in about 2 minutes vice the seven+ that he blathered on...
Yes, that is very true; his video could have been shorter.

I too believe that he makes some valid points and I find it interesting that, on the other forum where this was posted, many people responding called him a coward for choosing not to protect others.

I don't know, I just thought that is would be interesting to see what the good folks of GT had to say about the video...
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Old 03-19-2013, 03:02   #5
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I'm not either. I have no duty or obligation to protect anyone outside of my family. Why open myself to personal and financial harm for someone else who won't take their personal defense seriously and they would most likely not pee in my ear if my head was on fire if the shoe was on the other foot.
You have a very dim view of the world sir.
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I'm not either. I have no duty or obligation to protect anyone outside of my family. Why open myself to personal and financial harm for someone else who won't take their personal defense seriously and they would most likely not pee in my ear if my head was on fire if the shoe was on the other foot.
Bingo. My firearm is there to protect me, Mrs. SC Tiger and little SC Tiger. Everyone else is on their own.

That doesn't mean I will allow a child to get abducted or harmed, or a woman to get robbed, raped or the #### beat out of her in my presence. But the circumstances will dictate how I react.

A mass shooting - depends on my location, distance to the shooter, presence of cover or concealment, sight lines, and the presence or absence of my family.
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Old 06-18-2014, 15:04   #7
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I'm not either. I have no duty or obligation to protect anyone outside of my family. Why open myself to personal and financial harm for someone else who won't take their personal defense seriously and they would most likely not pee in my ear if my head was on fire if the shoe was on the other foot.
This. I fully agree. There's a suicide/PTSD awareness organization that operates for FD/EMS in my local area that terms those two professions as 'Shepherds'. And I find that to be more true.
I will protect myself, I will protect my family, but my job is not to defend the world. I will do my best to step in and provide aid if someone else is hurt however, but my safety is paramount if I or my family is not being threatened
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I agree with his prose. Makes perfect sense and pretty much my stance as well.
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Sounds likes he's trying to justify his stance to himself. Sad way to go through life.
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Sounds likes he's trying to justify his stance to himself. Sad way to go through life.
BS. He is 100% correct.
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BS. He is 100% correct.
Being a coward isn't really "correct" or "incorrect," it's just the nature of some people. The attempt to justify it with explanation is the evidence of their nature. To them, it is perfectly logical and anybody who takes a risk to help others is foolish or "childish" or whatever. I assume it makes the cowards feel better to convince themselves that they are superior. The rest of us, on the other hand, don't view them that way.
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Being a coward isn't really "correct" or "incorrect," it's just the nature of some people. The attempt to justify it with explanation is the evidence of their nature. To them, it is perfectly logical and anybody who takes a risk to help others is foolish or "childish" or whatever. I assume it makes the cowards feel better to convince themselves that they are superior. The rest of us, on the other hand, don't view them that way.
It isn't cowardice to put your family's safety and welfare first. To the contrary, failing to place your family's safety and welfare first by intervening in a situation in such a way as to place your own children, spouse or loved ones in harm's way is a moral and ethical betrayal of your responsibilities as a spouse and parent.

Playing hero with your own life is one thing. Playing hero with your children's lives is quite another.
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It isn't cowardice to put your family's safety and welfare first. To the contrary, failing to place your family's safety and welfare first by intervening in a situation in such a way as to place your own children, spouse or loved ones in harm's way is a moral and ethical betrayal of your responsibilities as a spouse and parent.

Playing hero with your own life is one thing. Playing hero with your children's lives is quite another.
Your position suggests you believe that one is mutually exclusive to the other.

Not to mention, it seems your position is that every soldier who's given his life betrayed his family.
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Sounds likes he's trying to justify his stance to himself. Sad way to go through life.
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I always thought the sheepdog thing was cheesy, and wondered if the guys that posted about it had just finished a 3hr session of COD on the XBox.
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I always thought the sheepdog thing was cheesy, and wondered if the guys that posted about it had just finished a 3hr session of COD on the XBox.
Nope, I prefer NHL12...
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I always thought the sheepdog thing was cheesy, and wondered if the guys that posted about it had just finished a 3hr session of COD on the XBox.
The sheepdog thing isn't "cheesy", it's childish. It's desperately seeking admiration.

He is right about 'not knowing what is going on'. A mass shooting in a mall is one thing. Intervening in a situation in a parking lot at Wal Mart is another. As soon as a stranger steps in, it will turn out to be a domestic violence situation, which is hard enough on cops, and both parties will turn on the "Sheepdog".

In our HCP class, the example of stepping into a gunfight was demonstrated, and the results were that you don't know who is who, or what is what, and Bubba gets a new roommate. It's best to mind your own business.

I would try to act to stop an obvious abduction\kidnapping of a child or female, but I don't go out looking to be Matt Dillon. But hey, if others want to take the risks to try and be a hero, more power to them.
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The sheepdog thing isn't "cheesy", it's childish. It's desperately seeking admiration
So sayeth the person with an avatar named after a fictional former insurgent and bank robber turned drunkard who has a tendency to speak with his pistol, played on the big screen by a western legend...
I will agree with you that the average Joe who is walking around referring to himself as a sheepdog because he is carrying is probably looking for attention and more of a danger to himself and others than he is helpful.
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So sayeth the person with an avatar named after a fictional former insurgent and bank robber turned drunkard who has a tendency to speak with his pistol, played on the big screen by a western legend...
That' some stupid **** right there, I don't care who you are, that's stupid ****.
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Didn't the whole sheepdog thing actually start right here on Glock Talk? A bunch of wannabees bought a bunch of T-shirts and took an oath to defend those who won't defend themselves?
ahhh... no. Your comment below applies to your comment above.

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That' some stupid **** right there, I don't care who you are, that's stupid ****.
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