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Old 03-18-2013, 09:21   #1
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Two recent shooting involving .22 round to the head. Not effective at all!!

The two attached news reports are about subjects being shot in the head with .22 caliber rounds. In both the subject lived, in one the victim was shot several times and was still able to get to a gun in his nightstand. I would say .22 is not my first thought for self defense.

http://www.khq.com/story/21664703/po...or-in-the-head

http://www.columbiabasinherald.com/n...tml?mode=story
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Old 03-18-2013, 10:11   #2
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maybe they should live by the motto: Anything worth shooting once, is worth shooting again.....and again....and again... and again... ( .22 are cheap, fill'em up!)
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Old 03-18-2013, 10:34   #3
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The .22 bullet failed to penetrate the frontal skull. No surprise there. Get a 9mm or larger.
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Old 03-18-2013, 13:20   #4
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A coworker of mine survived .32 to the head, 2 to the lower torso and 1 to the leg..... from her then husband, all from arm length distance's.

Sometimes shot placement is not the key......
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Old 03-21-2013, 12:09   #5
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A coworker of mine survived .32 to the head, 2 to the lower torso and 1 to the leg..... from her then husband, all from arm length distance's.

Sometimes shot placement is not the key......
I guess that he could afford a divorce . . . . .
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Old 03-18-2013, 15:06   #6
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The two attached news reports are about subjects being shot in the head with .22 caliber rounds. In both the subject lived, in one the victim was shot several times and was still able to get to a gun in his nightstand. I would say .22 is not my first thought for self defense.

http://www.khq.com/story/21664703/po...or-in-the-head

http://www.columbiabasinherald.com/n...tml?mode=story
So, your point is?

There's not enough information in either one of those articles to establish anything, either one way or the other, about the presumed effectiveness, or lack thereof, of a, '22'.

You need to remember that the Western World's covert military agencies haven't, almost unanimously, used rimfire 22 LR caliber cartridges AND head shots for the past 50 years because the cartridge doesn't work. Read the book, 'Hit Team' about the Israeli Mossad's European operations during the mid 1970's. Were he, still, alive Chicago mobster Sam Giancana might tell you different about what a 22 LR is capable of, too!

I got hit with a 22 (LR) once; it knocked me off my feet! Have you ever been hit by a marble fired out of a Saunders, 'Wrist Rocket' slingshot? One of those suckers hits hard enough to make you, 'convert to Catholicism'; and, still, a rimfire 22 LR round hits a lot harder than a marble out of a, 'Wrist Rocket'. (Don't bother asking, 'How' I know!)

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Old 03-19-2013, 09:54   #7
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You need to remember that the Western World's covert military agencies haven't, almost unanimously, used rimfire 22 LR caliber cartridges AND head shots for the past 50 years because the cartridge doesn't work. Read the book, 'Hit Team' about the Israeli Mossad's European operations during the mid 1970's.
Here's a short article on the subject:

http://www.tactical-life.com/tactica...mossad-22-lrs/
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A friend of mine was shot with a single .22. It entered his chest cavity through his right armpit, it pierced the top of his right lung, then the valve on top of his heart then the top of his left lung, it stopped against a rib on his left side.


He was able to walk under his own power into the house and collapsed. The surgeon told us his heart stopped 3 times on the operating table. They were able to keep him alive, but the damage to his heart required them to put in a pace maker.


He was 27 years old at the time that he was shot. He died a few years later due to complications from his injuries.


You never know how a round will affect someone, no matter what caliber.
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A friend of mine was shot with a single .22. It entered his chest cavity through his right armpit, it pierced the top of his right lung, then the valve on top of his heart then the top of his left lung, it stopped against a rib on his left side.


He was able to walk under his own power into the house and collapsed. The surgeon told us his heart stopped 3 times on the operating table. They were able to keep him alive, but the damage to his heart required them to put in a pace maker.


He was 27 years old at the time that he was shot. He died a few years later due to complications from his injuries.


You never know how a round will affect someone, no matter what caliber.
Damn, sorry about your loss. Indeed, you never do know.
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Damn, sorry about your loss. Indeed, you never do know.
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Here's a short article on the subject: http://www.tactical-life.com/tactica...mossad-22-lrs/
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Rachamim recently advised Tactical Weapons that during the commando raid on the Sabena Airline jet in 1972, he carried two spare magazines for his issued Beretta. After drawing his pistol and racking the slide, Rachamim recalls charging at one of the male terrorists while he “stabbed” his pistol out in front of him toward his target as he, “released rounds.” As he fired his pistol, Rachamim remembered being close enough to see some of his bullets hit the mark. The sight of blood draining from the dead hijacker’s mouth confirmed that the terrorist he engaged inside the crowded cabin would no longer pose a threat.
Thank you so much for that!

The above is a REAL WORLD example of what I’ve spent so much time trying to explain (without much success ) to all of these C-1 carry, ‘Glockeroo Cowboys’, here, on Glock Talk. (This, also, parallels my own REAL WORLD life experience; and, ‘puts the lie’ to much of these always popular, but, largely pseudointellectual remarks about the presumed vital necessity for C-1 carry.)

IT IS NOT NECESSARY TO ENDANGER, BOTH, YOURSELF AND EVERYONE ELSE WITH LOADED CHAMBER (C-1) CARRY IN ORDER TO BE EFFECTIVE WITH A PISTOL. WHAT A COMPETENT PISTOLERO REALLY HAS TO BE IS,

(1) POSSESSED OF A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF REAL WORLD (LIFE) EXPERIENCE,

(2) DEMONSTRABLY SKILLED AT HIS CRAFT, AND

(3) PERSONALLY DISCIPLINED WITH THE RIGHT MENTAL AND EMOTIONAL ATTITUDES.


If someone sporting a carry pistol lacks the proper training, as well as ALL of the above physical and psychological prerequisites then, as far as I’m concerned, that person is no better than just another dangerous social goofball with a loaded gun who’s, out there, walking around in public - A goofball who constitutes himself as a viable potential threat to everyone with whom he comes into personal contact, including himself.

(I doubt, though, that I’m going to garner any, ‘merit badges’ for continuing to point this out!)

REFERENCE: http://www.tactical-life.com/tactica...mossad-22-lrs/

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Old 03-24-2013, 07:18   #12
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Thank you so much for that!

The above is a REAL WORLD example of what I’ve spent so much time trying to explain (without much success ) to all of these C-1 carry, ‘Glockeroo Cowboys’, here, on Glock Talk. (This, also, parallels my own REAL WORLD life experience; and, ‘puts the lie’ to much of these always popular, but, largely pseudointellectual remarks about the presumed vital necessity for C-1 carry.)

IT IS NOT NECESSARY TO ENDANGER, BOTH, YOURSELF AND EVERYONE ELSE WITH LOADED CHAMBER (C-1) CARRY IN ORDER TO BE EFFECTIVE WITH A PISTOL. WHAT A COMPETENT PISTOLERO REALLY HAS TO BE IS,

(1) POSSESSED OF A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF REAL WORLD (LIFE) EXPERIENCE,

(2) DEMONSTRABLY SKILLED AT HIS CRAFT, AND

(3) PERSONALLY DISCIPLINED WITH THE RIGHT MENTAL AND EMOTIONAL ATTITUDES.


If someone sporting a carry pistol lacks the proper training, as well as ALL of the above physical and psychological prerequisites then, as far as I’m concerned, that person is no better than just another dangerous social goofball with a loaded gun who’s, out there, walking around in public - A goofball who constitutes himself as a viable potential threat to everyone with whom he comes into personal contact, including himself.

(I doubt, though, that I’m going to garner any, ‘merit badges’ for continuing to point this out!)

REFERENCE: http://www.tactical-life.com/tactica...mossad-22-lrs/


A LOADED CHAMBER DOES NOT "ENDANGER YOURSELF AND EVERYONE ELSE"

MISINFORMATION IS AS DEADLY AS CARELESSNESS


Why are you confusing 40-year old Mossad tactics with current-day self-defense? One has very little to do with the other. To someone so obviously afraid of firearms, I'm sure that since both involve "GUNS", both are the same subject. But self-defense tactics and 40-year old Mossad tactics are 2 different things.

And who goes around calling themselves a "pistolero"??
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A LOADED CHAMBER DOES NOT "ENDANGER YOURSELF AND EVERYONE ELSE"

MISINFORMATION IS AS DEADLY AS CARELESSNESS


Why are you confusing 40-year old Mossad tactics with current-day self-defense? One has very little to do with the other. To someone so obviously afraid of firearms, I'm sure that since both involve "GUNS", both are the same subject. But self-defense tactics and 40-year old Mossad tactics are 2 different things.

And who goes around calling themselves a "pistolero"??
FYI, there isn't really any point in responding to him.
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