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Old 03-17-2013, 17:41   #1
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When do you see the ammo shortage loosening up?

When all this craziness started with availability of ammo and guns, I thought it would be shortlived. I'm not sure anymore. When do you think ammo will be more readily available and prices will start to come back down?
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Old 03-17-2013, 17:46   #2
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Who knows.

I can only hope it's sometime soon tho.. but I doubt that will happen (just my luck) lol
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Old 03-17-2013, 17:57   #3
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The owner of my LGS told me this YEAR isn't looking good....:what::confused:
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Old 03-17-2013, 17:58   #4
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Not until there's a new administration that is able to interpret the 2nd amendment.
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Old 03-17-2013, 18:04   #5
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When the stock market finally crashes under the weight of this administration's anti-capitalist policies. The resulting recession will lower demand causing prices for raw materials and eventually finished products to drop.
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Old 03-17-2013, 18:15   #6
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Given the present hysteria?

Not for a long time.
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Old 03-17-2013, 18:16   #7
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When I finish my stockpile of 10k 9mm & 5k .223 it better be over


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Old 03-17-2013, 18:17   #8
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Not for a long long time. From where I'm sitting, it's a long way off.
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Old 03-17-2013, 18:17   #9
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I'm settling in for the long haul, I just bought a box of .40 for twenty bucks and was happy to do it because it was the first I've seen in weeks.

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Old 03-17-2013, 20:59   #10
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NEVER!!! because the frakkin moronic radically liberal jackwagons in government at all levels are gonna legislate to have heavy taxes slapped on complete ammunition and ammunition manufacturing components so there will be another friggin rush on ammo and reloading components when the supply returns to almost normal
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Old 03-17-2013, 21:25   #11
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I think its already showing signs of improvement. The local shops in my area have guns, mags and ammo on the shelves, just at a higher price and with limits on quantity.

It will slowly get better over the next few months. Don't pass on a good deal if you find it though, it wouldn't take much to send us back into panic mode.

As always make sure the next time you are set. I have a pretty decent stash of mags and ammo at the house so I wasn't affected much by the recent events. It did put a damper on my weekly trip to the local shop to browse and pick up a box of ammo or two, but thats all. Start picking up a box or two of ammo or a magazine a week and it will add up fast. If you find a good deal make a bulk purchase and stash it away. You'll have enough to ride the next panic out in a short time.
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As a dealer there are no signs of it getting any better. Ammo comes and goes as it is being made but that does not really help.

You can not judge a shortage by looking at the ammo shelves. You have to look up the supply chain to see what is going to refill those shelves. It looks pretty bleak right now.
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Old 03-18-2013, 14:03   #13
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As a dealer there are no signs of it getting any better. Ammo comes and goes as it is being made but that does not really help.
Have you heard of any of the ammo ammo companies expanding their operations and adding more machinery? Or are they just doing what they usually do, produce what they can with what they have.
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Old 03-18-2013, 18:14   #14
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Have you heard of any of the ammo ammo companies expanding their operations and adding more machinery? Or are they just doing what they usually do, produce what they can with what they have.
Contacted hornady a couple months ago trying to locate a set of 327 federal magnum dies . They said there was a back order of 105 of these dies at the time and they had expanded thier hours and hired people , but still couldn't keep up .
I was told to stay in touch with the retailers and it would be on the shelves eventually .
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Have you heard of any of the ammo ammo companies expanding their operations and adding more machinery? Or are they just doing what they usually do, produce what they can with what they have.
I used to know a WW ammo exec. I wish that I could contact him.
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Have you heard of any of the ammo ammo companies expanding their operations and adding more machinery? Or are they just doing what they usually do, produce what they can with what they have.
WHy would they? It is never a good business model to spend money w/o a sustainable market. They are doing studies, gauranteed, but they also know what many of us do, this is temporary & they would be foolish to start spending capital if there is no future demand. Big companies like ATK, ammo production is a drop in their economic bucket. When you are selling missle systems to the US Govt @ 100-400% profit, why worry about ammo manuf & it's relatively small profit margins of 20% or so.
So short answer, look for this to continue thru the 2014 election cycle. Dems win congress, it will get A LOT WORSE. Dems lose the Senate & House, things could be back to "normal" in as little as a 3 month from then. Prices are NEVER coming back, sorry guys. You can't print $40B a month & not expect inflation. So anything commodity based will continue to go up in price. Lots of commodities in ammo.
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Old 03-20-2013, 07:22   #17
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Have you heard of any of the ammo ammo companies expanding their operations and adding more machinery? Or are they just doing what they usually do, produce what they can with what they have.
Makers of remanufactured ammo and ammo using new brass, like Freedom Munitions, Red River Ammo, and Great Lakes Ammo are at the mercy of their suppliers for components. Freedom is selling out of approx. 500K rounds per week. When 9mm pops up on their website it's selling out on an average of three minutes. They do have a store in Houston, Tx that stays fairly well stocked if you're in that area. I'm at the end of two months waiting for two cases of 9mm from Great Lakes and yesterday received an email that explained...again...the problems in getting sufficient components. They are no longer taking orders for any caliber and are doing their best to fill existing orders. They recently got in an apparently large shipment of both .40 and .45 bullets and will begin filling backorders for those. As for 9mm, they received only one fifth of the bullets needed to fill all their backorders.
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If the RKBA movement picks up votes in the Senate, I'd say it will get better after the mid term elections

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As soon as the Federal Gov't quits buying up so much ammo. First, we get rid of the Kenyan in the White House.
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Old 06-07-2013, 14:12   #21
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As soon as the Federal Gov't quits buying up so much ammo. First, we get rid of the Kenyan in the White House.
AMEN!

Goodbye 2nd. Amendment--You control the Ammo--you control Guns.
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Old 06-07-2013, 18:13   #22
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AMEN!

Goodbye 2nd. Amendment--You control the Ammo--you control Guns.
The government isn't buying any more ammo than it did last year. Most of the news you are seeing is reserve to purchase at a certain price.

We are doing this to ourselves. Pure panic. If you fail to see this, you are part of the problem.
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Old 06-07-2013, 22:46   #23
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Went to Walmart tonight, shelves are still bare except for shotgun ammo.
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Old 06-08-2013, 09:37   #24
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Went to Walmart tonight, shelves are still bare except for shotgun ammo.
That's pretty much the case in most places. They put their stuff out in the morning and people line up to get it. I guess I have a lucky situation for me because our local wm only puts ammo out in the evening. So, the usual bunch can't just show up in the morning with their coffee to chat with their buddies they've made friends with over the last few months. They probably already have set deals worked out with each other to buy the calibers they don't need. Mine can put it out anywhere from 5:30 to 7:30. So, if you truly think you must have the value packs of 22LR, you better plan to get there around 5:00 and possibly 2 1/2 hours. It's not worth it for them, so people just randomly show up throughout that window. You likely won't get the value pack items of sought after ammo (22LR, .223), but you stand a very good chance of grabbing 45, 40, 9mm, 38 spc, etc. You can even get the small packs of 22LR. I just swing by on my way home from work, but I haven't been but maybe once in the last 2-3 weeks.

As for the online local guys, prices are getting very close to the store prices. They are just tired of sitting on stockpiles of ammo that isn't selling at their inflated prices, while their wives yell at them because the credit card bills have spiked and need to be paid.

This is a self-inflicted market. I have had plenty of opportunities to make money on this, but I haven't made a cent. However, I have hooked up family and co-workers. When I call them and tell them I picked up 300 rounds of 9mm or 45 for them, they think I have some kind of uber connection. I was just looking for 223 and eventually had to stop buying 9mm just because "it was a available." My LGS now stocks PMC 223 pretty regularly at $9.99, so I have no desire to wait in line at wm to try to get theirs. The best I have found at wm is Remington and PPU 223 brass at $7.5 or $8. They regularly have the Tulammo at $5, but since I need the brass to reload, I just pass.

Now that my LGS and places like Midway have stock back in, I have no desire to fuel the issue and make this drag out through the end of the year. This should be over soon. There just isn't much available margin left for the scalpers right now. It's getting thinner by the day. When they can no longer upcharge and people run out of their infinite room on their credit cards, this will be over.
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The government isn't buying any more ammo than it did last year. Most of the news you are seeing is reserve to purchase at a certain price.

We are doing this to ourselves. Pure panic. If you fail to see this, you are part of the problem.
Sorry you got the wrong impression I was trying to make-sorry. In new Jersey the state is trying to make illegal
online ammo purchases--thus giving control to area sporting good stores. To take that a step forward once you are purchasing ammo in the store the store has to run a background check on you--this could take a while before being approved. These pending laws have been approved by NJ Assemble and are waiting to be signed into law by Chris
the Govenor- This is what I meant by Gov't control of ammo
I see the panic in NJ stores. So I am not the problem.


PS Ammo panic buying + laws making it harder to buy Ammo +
Gov't buying ammo plus the State is considering putting
information about your firearms & ammo status on NJ
drivers lic. + limiting rounds of ammo in magazines:

Making ammo purchases tough along with tons of paperwork just to buy ammo and then waiting for a period of time to be approved to purchase ammo is nothing less than
Control of Ammo.

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