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Old 02-11-2013, 18:20   #1
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Father shoots drunk driver who killed his sons

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I hope he walks.
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Old 02-11-2013, 18:24   #2
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I also hope he walks. You take a man's family from him, and he has nothing left - watch out. The drunk SOB got what was coming to him.
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Old 02-11-2013, 19:21   #3
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I also hope he walks. You take a man's family from him, and he has nothing left - watch out. The drunk SOB got what was coming to him.
+1, hope he walks, theses movie comes to mind

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He certainly made sure there's no repeat offense on that one.
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Old 02-11-2013, 18:25   #5
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So am I right to understand that this shooting was not in self-defense? While I feel for him and for his loss, his actions were absolutely inappropriate and unjustified under the law. Keep in mind that our legal system isn't based on whether the drunk driver deserved it, the decision to charge the shooter is based on whether the shooter broke the law. In this case, he is not going to walk. Having said that, I am glad I'm not going to be sitting on his jury because I would hate to have to convict him.

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Old 02-11-2013, 18:28   #6
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So am I right to understand that this shooting was not in self-defense? While I feel for him and for his loss, his actions were absolutely inappropriate and unjustified under the law. Keep in mind that our legal system isn't based on whether the drunk driver deserved it, the decision to charge the shooter is based on whether the shooter broke the law. In this case, he is not going to walk. Having said that, I am glad I'm not going to be sitting on his jury.
Jury Nullification for $1000, Alex.
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Old 02-11-2013, 18:31   #7
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Jury Nullification for $1000, Alex.
Interesting. I did not know that was possible. However given the current climate regarding guns, I would say that it is very unlikely. Of course it also depends on where he lives. I am also not sure if it would be appropriate, if he in fact carried out his own justice in this way. In my home state of VA, which is a very gun-friendly state, he would have blatantly broken the "duty to retreat" portion of the law.

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Interesting. I did not know that was possible.
Yeah, the system tends to not tell people about it, and sometimes reacts badly to those who do.
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Old 02-11-2013, 18:53   #9
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You kill my kids drunk driving, well, you will never have a chance to do it ever again to any other man's sons.
I would love to sit on that jury and they need only one like me and will most likely have one like me when he goes to trial, after the second hung jury, he will go home where he belongs.
Drunk driving is the same as standing in the middle of a busy road, shutting your eyes, and firing off 17 rounds of 9mm from your Glock 17.
If you do that, you get shot, whats the difference between this driving drunk idiot killing a man's two sons?
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Old 02-11-2013, 18:41   #10
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In my home state of VA, which is a very gun-friendly state, he would have blatantly broken the "duty to retreat" portion of the law.
Virginia does not have a "duty to retreat" portion of the law, in fact, it's a "stand your ground" state.
Here's a link to a good explanation:

http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/show...8#post19968878

Too bad going home to fetch a gun and returning to shoot someone isn't covered by that.
He should have been carrying, in case he was in fear for his life from the homicidal drunken maniac.


If I was on a jury that found him guilty, I'd impose a fine of one dollar and pass the hat.
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Old 02-11-2013, 19:03   #11
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In my home state of VA, which is a very gun-friendly state, he would have blatantly broken the "duty to retreat" portion of the law.
1. VA has no duty to retreat.
2. "Duty to retreat" and "very gun friendly" do not belong in the same sentence.
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Old 02-11-2013, 19:22   #12
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1. VA has no duty to retreat.
2. "Duty to retreat" and "very gun friendly" do not belong in the same sentence.
VA did have a duty to retreat when I first applied for my CCW about 5 years ago. At least that is what I was taught in the course. Things may have certainly changed, but I didn't hear of it.

Duty to retreat and gun friendly are not opposites of each other.
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Old 02-11-2013, 19:38   #13
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Jury Nullification for $1000, Alex.
F.T.M.F.W.

IMO, driving after having some arbitrary number of drinks should not be illegal. As long as the operator is made to take full responsibility for any consequences of his actions.
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So am I right to understand that this shooting was not in self-defense? While I feel for him and for his loss, his actions were absolutely inappropriate and unjustified under the law. Keep in mind that our legal system isn't based on whether the drunk driver deserved it, the decision to charge the shooter is based on whether the shooter broke the law. In this case, he is not going to walk. Having said that, I am glad I'm not going to be sitting on his jury.
**** the law. They drop the ball on DD convictions and sentences every day and are as directly as responsible for many of those deaths as the drunk behind the wheel. You know what? If my family was killed by someone doing something that the law ignores and weakly slaps people on the wrist for every day than I might be driven to do the same thing.

When "the law" lets a repeat DD offender behind the wheel again then don't be surprised when people start taking matters into their own hands.
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Old 02-11-2013, 18:42   #16
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**** the law. They drop the ball on DD convictions and sentences every day and are as directly as responsible for many of those deaths as the drunk behind the wheel. You know what? If my family was killed by someone doing something that the law ignores and weakly slaps people on the wrist for every day than I might be driven to do the same thing.

When "the law" lets a repeat DD offender behind the wheel again then don't be surprised when people start taking matters into their own hands.
It's a free country. You can make your own choices, but be prepared to face the consequences if it comes to it. Murder is murder, and both sides committed it here.

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It's a free country. You can make your own choices, but be prepared to face the consequences if it comes to it. Murder is murder, and both sides committed it here.
With the exception that DWI homocide is treated as less than a manslaughter in most cases. It should be treated as first degree murder. Why? The person made a concious, premediated decision to become intoxicated and then take a 5 ton weapon and not care if they killed peoplw with it. Which they clearly did.

I have no sympathy for the dead drunk driver. Not even a little.
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Old 02-11-2013, 19:19   #18
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With the exception that DWI homocide is treated as less than a manslaughter in most cases. It should be treated as first degree murder. Why? The person made a concious, premediated decision to become intoxicated and then take a 5 ton weapon and not care if they killed peoplw with it. Which they clearly did.

I have no sympathy for the dead drunk driver. Not even a little.
I completely agree with you. My only point is that in this case, the only person who will stand trial is the shooter. And since his shooting was not legally justified, he is probably not going to walk.
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With the exception that DWI homocide is treated as less than a manslaughter in most cases. It should be treated as first degree murder. Why? The person made a concious, premediated decision to become intoxicated and then take a 5 ton weapon and not care if they killed peoplw with it. Which they clearly did.

I have no sympathy for the dead drunk driver. Not even a little.
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With the exception that DWI homocide is treated as less than a manslaughter in most cases. It should be treated as first degree murder. Why? The person made a concious, premediated decision to become intoxicated and then take a 5 ton weapon and not care if they killed peoplw with it. Which they clearly did.

I have no sympathy for the dead drunk driver. Not even a little.
5 tons? Was the drunk in the cab of a big rig?

On a serious not though this who situation is full of fail. If he waled to his nearby home to retrieve a gun, I can understand due to the close proximity why they tried to push the vehicle rather than calling for a tow truck. However, at nearly midnight is not the time to be pushing a vehicle on a roadway. They should have left it on the shoulder, all walked home, and dealt with it in the morning.

The drunk on the other hand should have never been intoxicated in the first place being underage, much less getting behind the wheel in that condition. That being said, the father is still accountable for what he did which if how the article reads is accurate (which it very well may not be) is go home to retrieve the gun that he used to kill the drunk driver.

I really hope this guy gets a lawyer that can make a temporary insanity plea stick, however it doesn't look good as it appears that he went home for the gun giving him time to think his actions through. If he was carrying, getting that plea to hold water would be much easier.

Either way you look at it, the entire situation is a tragedy.
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It's a free country. You can make your own choices, but be prepared to face the consequences if it comes to it. Murder is murder, and both sides committed it here.
I agree but if the Judge let him off the hook.....he'd be gone in a few days and nobody would be the wiser. Drunk and or Judge.....after one they are all bonuses to society....so I would like to believe.
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his actions were absolutely inappropriate and unjustified under the law
Who cares? Our legal system protects the scum and persecutes the righteous.

The shooter's going to walk. No jury will convict him.
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Who cares? Our legal system protects the scum and persecutes the righteous.

The shooter's going to walk. No jury will convict him.
I want to hug him and buy him a beer. I have 2 daughters and 100% would have done the same thing. I could never imagine losing one of my children let alone both
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So am I right to understand that this shooting was not in self-defense? While I feel for him and for his loss, his actions were absolutely inappropriate and unjustified under the law. Keep in mind that our legal system isn't based on whether the drunk driver deserved it, the decision to charge the shooter is based on whether the shooter broke the law. In this case, he is not going to walk. Having said that, I am glad I'm not going to be sitting on his jury because I would hate to have to convict him.
I think our justice system should incorporate the death penalty for drunk drivers that kill people.
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I think our justice system should incorporate the death penalty for drunk drivers that kill people.
I would support that.

While I can kinda understand the fathers actions it was not the right thing to do.
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