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Old 02-11-2013, 06:52   #1
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Texas to revisit open carry for handguns

http://www.sacbee.com/2013/02/11/518...carry-for.html
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Old 02-11-2013, 07:06   #2
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Sounds like a marvelous idea to me!!

Only one wish, it not be tied to a CCW endorsement. But Hey, you can't win them all!




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Old 02-11-2013, 18:23   #3
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While it would be nice to not be as worried about clothing selection, I would probably continue to carry concealed. I think open carry would just present retention problems with kids/nuts attempting take guns, and also presents a shoot the guy with the gun first situations.
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Old 02-11-2013, 18:55   #4
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While it would be nice to not be as worried about clothing selection, I would probably continue to carry concealed. I think open carry would just present retention problems with kids/nuts attempting take guns, and also presents a shoot the guy with the gun first situations.
You know, I wonder how people who think like you can get through life without handwringing on something like this?

If it isn't for you, then it isn't for you, much like smoking, driving, golfing, motorcycling, whatever. You guys are as bad as DemocRATS.

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Old 02-11-2013, 20:07   #5
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You know, I wonder how people who think like you can get through life without handwringing on something like this?

If it isn't for you, then it isn't for you, much like smoking, driving, golfing, motorcycling, whatever. You guys are as bad as DemocRATS.

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You're right, there are those people that live their life with "yeah, but what if". They seem to live in fear of everything.
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Old 02-13-2013, 09:26   #6
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You know, I wonder how people who think like you can get through life without handwringing on something like this?

If it isn't for you, then it isn't for you, much like smoking, driving, golfing, motorcycling, whatever. You guys are as bad as DemocRATS.

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How is it that expessing that open carry is not for him and then giving the reason makes him as bad as a "DemocRATS"?

Are you just trolling again?

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Old 02-19-2013, 08:04   #7
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While it would be nice to not be as worried about clothing selection, I would probably continue to carry concealed.
How do you dress when you CC? What would change if OC was possible?

The biggest difference for me is the shirt gets tucked in.

When I CC in warm weather I wear banded bottom polo shirts and carry IWB. The shirt bottom rests on my hip level and blouses a bit at the waist breaking up any outline of the grip.

When I OC, the carry is either IWB, or OWB in a retention holster with the shirt tucked in.
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I think open carry would just present retention problems with kids/nuts attempting take guns, and also presents a shoot the guy with the gun first situations.
My granddaughter addressed that this past weekend. She traveled home by bus from college in Northern Virginia. I asked how things were going using the Metro and other public transportation. She said it was fine, that she just walks her "Don't even try messing with me" walk. "When I look like I am capable and confident, they get the idea I will not be a willing victim."

The same applies to gun grabs. If you look like that would be the last thing you'd allow to happen, you win without conflict. If you look unsure, uncommitted, if you look like a victim waiting to be had, then you'll have to fight.

Has it happened? Yep, a few guys have reported grabs. A couple more reported attempts. There is one case in Richmond, Virginia at a BP station where the OCer was killed with his own gun.

I do not believe there is any other report of an OCer being killed as a consequence of OCing.

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You know, I wonder how people who think like you can get through life without handwringing on something like this?

If it isn't for you, then it isn't for you, much like smoking, driving, golfing, motorcycling, whatever. You guys are as bad as DemocRATS.
That, sir, is an inappropriate, unwarranted personal attack.

Had you just said, "If it isn't for you, then it isn't for you," all would be good.

Carrying for self defense requires many very personal decisions. What is good and right for one person may be deadly wrong for another.
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Old 02-11-2013, 19:54   #8
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Sounds like a marvelous idea to me!!

Only one wish, it not be tied to a CCW endorsement. But Hey, you can't win them all!




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I don't see having the open carry tied to our CHL causing any kind of problem at all. That way you could concealed carry or open carry or partially concealed. One license to cover all carry sounds good to me.
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Old 02-12-2013, 16:11   #9
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I don't see having the open carry tied to our CHL causing any kind of problem at all. That way you could concealed carry or open carry or partially concealed. One license to cover all carry sounds good to me.
Depending on the state's constitution, it may not be a licensed issue, but a constitutional issue. CCW is generally a permit; meaning it isn't a right.

The perfect scenario would be to have OC unregulated. In MO, it is a right to OC; however, municipalities can restrict it. We are working to resolve that, hopefully.



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Old 02-11-2013, 19:03   #10
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I sure do hope they finally pass it. The more options we have, the better. Even if we don't exercise every single option every single day, the ability to pick and choose is great.
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Old 02-11-2013, 19:15   #11
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people who are anti open carry keep citing that OCers would be the first target in a robbery... i call BS.... are there any stats to prove this theory?
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Old 02-12-2013, 11:49   #12
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people who are anti open carry keep citing that OCers would be the first target in a robbery... i call BS.... are there any stats to prove this theory?
I would think that the OCer would be the LAST target for a mugging!!
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I would think that the OCer would be the LAST target for a mugging!!
Their theory is that if a guy with a gun walks into a mini mart to rob the place, he'll shoot a guy in the back if he's openly carrying a firearm, just so the guy won't try to stop the robber from robbing the place. I haven't seen any evidence to back up that theory, and from stories I've heard, open carry is more likely to prevent a robbery, rather than make you a target. However, those are stories, so take them with a grain of salt. But I sure would like to see data from both sides of the argument.
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Old 02-19-2013, 08:29   #15
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people who are anti open carry keep citing that OCers would be the first target in a robbery... i call BS.... are there any stats to prove this theory?
There are no reports I know of where an OCer was shot during a robbery.

It isn't that it has happened. It is do you want to be the first, and then how to avoid being "the first" while OCing.
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There are no reports I know of where an OCer was shot during a robbery.

It isn't that it has happened. It is do you want to be the first, and then how to avoid being "the first" while OCing.
Well the best way is to carry in a leather holster with a thumb break. Also be aware of your surroundings. AND practice, practice, practice.
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Well the best way is to carry in a leather holster with a thumb break. Also be aware of your surroundings. AND practice, practice, practice.
I would put absolutely no faith in a thumb break to prevent a gun snatch.

It will keep the gun in the holster if you are running, jumping, rolling around on the ground, sky diving, swimming, in a car accident, or doing gymnastics, but even a total klutz can figure out how they work without ever putting their hands on one. Generally speaking if you can present the gun quickly from the holster with a minimum of thought and motion, so can someone else.

If I were going to make open carry a habit I would probably buy a level III security holster.

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There are no reports I know of where an OCer was shot during a robbery.

It isn't that it has happened. It is do you want to be the first, and then how to avoid being "the first" while OCing.
thats 'assuming' (you know what happens when one does that) they're the only person at a specific public place OCing, or CCing for that matter
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I'd love to have the option. I probably wouldn't open carry but knowing that if I accidentally got exposed I'd be legal would be nice.
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I'd love to have the option. I probably wouldn't open carry but knowing that if I accidentally got exposed I'd be legal would be nice.
Accidental exposure is not illegal in TX.
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I hope it passes. There are times I would like to carry my G20 and other full size firearms without worrying about printing.
There is a clause in the bill that you would have to use a retention holster. I do not like that part nor the fact it's tied in to your CHL.

But it is a start.
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Sure hope it passes. Would love to have the option. That article is dead on....no OC in Texas just doesn't fit the culture. I've lived here my entire life. Outside the metroplex areas, no one would blink an eye seeing people walk around openly carrying their gun.
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Arizona doesn't have an issue with it and you don't need a CCW to do it.
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Was in AZ a few months ago for a course and took a lunch break and we walked into a burger joint only to see 7 or 8 folks open carry, wow was is a shocker not only to see it but to see everyone had no problem with it.

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Was in AZ a few months ago for a course and took a lunch break and we walked into a burger joint only to see 7 or 8 folks open carry, wow was is a shocker not only to see it but to see everyone had no problem with it.
AZ has awesome gun laws! I moved here partly because I believe it is a more free state than the one I moved from. That being said, the entire time I have lived here, I have only seen one person OCing. That was in a Sams Club. I really thought I would see more OCing, especailly in the "rural" county that I live in. I don't OC myself, but I do enjoy having the option if I should want to.

I hope Texas passes the OC law. More freedom is NEVER a bad thing.

In reference to someone walking into a 7-11 to rob it and upon seeing the guy in the back of the store OCing, the robber immediately shooting the OCer to quail the threat: I am guessing that most robbers, who walk into a store and saw a man with a gun in the back, would usually walk their behinds right back out of the store and try again at a better time. Just a guess, but I am thinking......
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