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Old 01-29-2013, 06:55   #1
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Obamacare question....

I find the current state of affairs very depressing and have basically cut the news off. Over the past 4 years, I have not followed anything concerning obama, especially obama care, I figured it will never go thru.

Well, here it is a reality. I know nothing about it.

What is suppose to be the end result once this is established? Free insurance, cheaper services, What does he want?
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Old 01-29-2013, 07:23   #2
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Oh boy, here comes the stampede of the "Obama is evil" crowd.
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Old 01-29-2013, 09:09   #3
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Oh boy, here comes the stampede of the "completely erroneous because the truth doesn't fit the rant" crowd.
Fixed that for ya....
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Old 01-29-2013, 09:49   #4
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Have you read any of it? The ways they are going to pay for it? Like they want 4% if you sell your house! My 2¢.

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Old 01-30-2013, 15:36   #5
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Fixed that for ya....
If you know they are wrong, you must know why. Can you explain?
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Old 01-29-2013, 17:26   #6
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Oh boy, here comes the stampede of the "Obama is evil" crowd.
Are you some kind of Texas transplant or what?
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Old 01-31-2013, 06:08   #7
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Are you some kind of Texas transplant or what?
Thanks for the attempt at an insult, but no, I'm a multi-generational Texas.

Three pages so far with this thread and my original post has proven correct.
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Old 01-31-2013, 07:16   #8
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Thanks for the attempt at an insult, but no, I'm a multi-generational Texas.

Three pages so far with this thread and my original post has proven correct.
Haha I was just telling my dad the other day that some parts of Texas can be deceivingly liberal.
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Thanks for the attempt at an insult, but no, I'm a multi-generational Texas.

Three pages so far with this thread and my original post has proven correct.
Haha I was just telling my dad the other day that some parts of Texas can be deceivingly liberal.
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Old 01-31-2013, 07:54   #10
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Thanks for the attempt at an insult, but no, I'm a multi-generational Texas.

Three pages so far with this thread and my original post has proven correct.
Haha I was just telling my dad the other day that some parts of Texas can be deceivingly liberal.
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Oh boy, here comes the stampede of the "Obama is evil" crowd.
He's worse than evil.

As of right now, your Texas Citizenship is revoked.......

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Old 01-30-2013, 09:42   #12
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Obamacare encourages individual responsibility for getting health insurance. It encourages employers to provide insurance. It provides assistance for low income or large family groups.

Traditionally, the healthiest among us could get by without health insurance. That makes those who do have insurance pay higher rates because they tend to be the less healthy. By dividing the insurance among all, healthy and non healthy groups, the cost per person comes down.

We currently have a for profit system, and without insurance, you'll get inferior care. The almighty dollar is so powerful that I've personally seen people crippled or die for lack of insurance.

People are afraid of change, but trust a career nurse, our healthcare system is too expensive and provides inferior care.

Now I'll get flamed a bunch. Honestly? I'm just here for the abuse!
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Old 01-30-2013, 10:06   #13
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Obamacare encourages individual responsibility for getting health insurance. It encourages employers to provide insurance. It provides assistance for low income or large family groups.

Traditionally, the healthiest among us could get by without health insurance. That makes those who do have insurance pay higher rates because they tend to be the less healthy. By dividing the insurance among all, healthy and non healthy groups, the cost per person comes down.

We currently have a for profit system, and without insurance, you'll get inferior care. The almighty dollar is so powerful that I've personally seen people crippled or die for lack of insurance.

People are afraid of change, but trust a career nurse, our healthcare system is too expensive and provides inferior care.

Now I'll get flamed a bunch. Honestly? I'm just here for the abuse!
So, because I don't smoke and I'm not obese I should have to pay for someone that does/is?
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Old 01-30-2013, 10:14   #14
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So, because I don't smoke and I'm not obese I should have to pay for someone that does/is?
Do you think that you DON'T?

If this plan wasn't in place, and you decided not to carry health insurance, you'd still be paying through tax dollars.

If this plan hadn't passed and you had insurance through your employer or self-purchased, you would STILL be paying - through higher premiums - for people that smoke, are obese, etc. You would ALSO being paying for people that have absolutely no insurance and go to the emergency room every time they don't feel well.

The intent of this bill is to reduce that last number, reduce the number of people that have no insurance, and help spread that cost out over a broader base.

So, you ask if you should have to pay for those people. I say again, why do you think you're NOT paying for them already?
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Old 01-30-2013, 12:52   #15
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So, because I don't smoke and I'm not obese I should have to pay for someone that does/is?
So because you don't smoke and aren't obese, do you think you'll never need healthcare?

I'll have to look up the exact statistic, but over 90% of what you'll spend for healthcare in your entire life will be in your last 2 weeks alive. Should you only have to pay for insurance during those 2 weeks?
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Old 01-30-2013, 10:16   #16
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Obamacare encourages individual responsibility for getting health insurance. It encourages employers to provide insurance. It provides assistance for low income or large family groups.

Traditionally, the healthiest among us could get by without health insurance. That makes those who do have insurance pay higher rates because they tend to be the less healthy. By dividing the insurance among all, healthy and non healthy groups, the cost per person comes down.

We currently have a for profit system, and without insurance, you'll get inferior care. The almighty dollar is so powerful that I've personally seen people crippled or die for lack of insurance.

People are afraid of change, but trust a career nurse, our healthcare system is too expensive and provides inferior care.

Now I'll get flamed a bunch. Honestly? I'm just here for the abuse!

Please explain how forcing someone to buy something they do not need nor want and therefore forcing them to subsidize someone else's higher costs encourages individual responsibility.
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Old 01-30-2013, 11:34   #17
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Obamacare encourages individual responsibility for getting health insurance. It encourages employers to provide insurance. It provides assistance for low income or large family groups.

Traditionally, the healthiest among us could get by without health insurance. That makes those who do have insurance pay higher rates because they tend to be the less healthy. By dividing the insurance among all, healthy and non healthy groups, the cost per person comes down.

We currently have a for profit system, and without insurance, you'll get inferior care. The almighty dollar is so powerful that I've personally seen people crippled or die for lack of insurance.

People are afraid of change, but trust a career nurse, our healthcare system is too expensive and provides inferior care.

Now I'll get flamed a bunch. Honestly? I'm just here for the abuse!
I don't think the cost came down for the healthy who weren't buying health insurance before.
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Old 01-30-2013, 11:47   #18
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Obamacare encourages individual responsibility for getting health insurance. It encourages employers to provide insurance. It provides assistance for low income or large family groups.

Traditionally, the healthiest among us could get by without health insurance. That makes those who do have insurance pay higher rates because they tend to be the less healthy. By dividing the insurance among all, healthy and non healthy groups, the cost per person comes down.
It is just another scam like Social Security.

Listen up healthy young people. You are now forced to pay for medical treatment for those aging (read sickly) baby boomers and young unhealthy “high risk behavior” underprivileged.

But just like with SS when you are old and need medical treatment, the system will have collapsed, rationed and you will be “Pathwayed” (euthanized).

We are tired of failed collectivism.
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It is just another scam like Social Security.

Listen up healthy young people. You are now forced to pay for medical treatment for those aging (read sickly) baby boomers and young unhealthy “high risk behavior” underprivileged.

But just like with SS when you are old and need medical treatment, the system will have collapsed, rationed and you will be “Pathwayed” (euthanized).

We are tired of failed collectivism.
Baby boomers are also the most obese. How fair is that?
I think if boomers are so rich and so great, they should pay for their own care.
This is nothing but highly regressive taxation that solves nothing.

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Obamacare encourages individual responsibility for getting health insurance. It encourages employers to provide insurance. It provides assistance for low income or large family groups.

Traditionally, the healthiest among us could get by without health insurance. That makes those who do have insurance pay higher rates because they tend to be the less healthy. By dividing the insurance among all, healthy and non healthy groups, the cost per person comes down.

We currently have a for profit system, and without insurance, you'll get inferior care. The almighty dollar is so powerful that I've personally seen people crippled or die for lack of insurance.

People are afraid of change, but trust a career nurse, our healthcare system is too expensive and provides inferior care.

Now I'll get flamed a bunch. Honestly? I'm just here for the abuse!

Funny how some substitute the word "encourage" for "taxes"

Just like FDR insisting that the money you pay for Social Security is a "contribution", not a tax.

Taking out the profit margin in a health care system will get everybody free aspirin. The high end medical will be govt rationed (best to make political buddies now) and new cures will not be developed. The "old" expensive and inferior care system drew people from all over the world looking for help when put on long waiting lists in their socialist medicine home countries.
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Obamacare encourages individual responsibility for getting health insurance. It encourages employers to provide insurance. It provides assistance for low income or large family groups.

Traditionally, the healthiest among us could get by without health insurance. That makes those who do have insurance pay higher rates because they tend to be the less healthy. By dividing the insurance among all, healthy and non healthy groups, the cost per person comes down.

We currently have a for profit system, and without insurance, you'll get inferior care. The almighty dollar is so powerful that I've personally seen people crippled or die for lack of insurance.

People are afraid of change, but trust a career nurse, our healthcare system is too expensive and provides inferior care.

Now I'll get flamed a bunch. Honestly? I'm just here for the abuse!
So it is to suck money out of the healthy? At least you are honest.

I also wondering if Ocare was intended to suck money out of the growing number of people who would rather go overseas instead of paying exorbitant US prices. I also think it is to suck money out of health insurance cash cows, young healthy men.

From what I read cost will only go down for those old enough to join Aarp and for those who are the extremely ill outliers. Of course, the solution to the skyrocketing prices will be euthanizing the elderly.

If the cost is the problem the answer is simple-drop the prices. If you charge Bcbs $ x for bloodwork, give the uninsured that rate not $10x. Problem solved. Most docs in the Us have no reason to control prices like say those in Mexico, Costa Rica, Thailand who are trying to be globally competitive for gringo money.

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Oh boy, here comes the stampede of the "Obama is evil" crowd.
You only say that because you are forced again and again to justify to yourself why you voted for him.
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Oh boy, here comes the stampede of the "Obama is evil" crowd.
IS HE NOT?
Please explain....
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You must get insurance, or you pay a penalty to the government. In addition, there is a 1% tax increase on companies that make medical equipment. Obama is evil.

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It's designed to break the current system by raising premiums, cutting payments to doctors/hospitals for Medicare patients, and putting religious hospitals/clinics out of business by imposing abortion mandates on them. Once the current system is broken, our country will have no choice but to move to a fully government-run, single payer universal health care system.
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