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Old 01-21-2013, 21:57   #1
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Out of 9.....

College students between the age of 20-25 tonight that I asked, 8 said they had no idea and one asked "Wasn't he some kind of dictator or something?"


The question?

Do you know who was Mikhail Gorbachev?

I suppose I shouldn't be, but I am shocked by my own ignorance at the current state of the educational system.

This was a pivotal point in world history.

I even tried to give the hint...

"Mr Gorbachev tear down that wall"...

At that hint, I got one guess of "Winston Churchill."

We truly are doomed to repeat...


They captured the educational system while we blinked.

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Old 01-21-2013, 22:01   #2
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I am not in the least bit shocked. I go through a dozen or so interns every year, we play pop quiz almost daily when I am in the office.
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Old 01-21-2013, 22:09   #3
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The OP is right on. The education system has totally failed us.

That's why people think the Second Amendment only protects 'hunting or sporting use' weapons.
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Old 01-21-2013, 22:15   #4
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The OP is right on. The education system has totally failed us.
We live in a country that produces more technological innovation than any other place in the history of ever.

The education system has its problems, but to say that it has "totally failed us" is blind to reality. America's education system still cranks out some of the best and brightest people in the world.
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Old 01-22-2013, 07:08   #5
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We live in a country that produces more technological innovation than any other place in the history of ever.

The education system has its problems, but to say that it has "totally failed us" is blind to reality. America's education system still cranks out some of the best and brightest people in the world.
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We live in a country that produces more technological innovation than any other place in the history of ever.

The education system has its problems, but to say that it has "totally failed us" is blind to reality. America's education system still cranks out some of the best and brightest people in the world.
Some, yes. But not that many. Our college and universities have to give preferential admissions to US students, or most of them would be filled with better qualified foreign applicants. Our K-12 system is doing a poor job.
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Old 01-22-2013, 07:28   #7
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Both my sons graduated high school in the last few years. i was amazed at how the local school system here completely ignored US history, and anything to do with civics. Those kids were seniors before they heard of any history and didn't know jack about our constitution or how our government works.

The only history they got was that Martin Luther King Jr was literally Jesus Christ and walked on water (that came right out of the gate in first grade) and how evil white men were for killing all the indians. Other than that, nothing. They never even told them who Abraham Lincoln was. Terrible.
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Old 01-22-2013, 08:57   #8
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We live in a country that produces more technological innovation than any other place in the history of ever.

The education system has its problems, but to say that it has "totally failed us" is blind to reality. America's education system still cranks out some of the best and brightest people in the world.

DD, I agree wholeheartedly, but what I think the OP is suggesting is that there are a whole lot of dumbasses out there..........and I wholeheartedly agree with that, also.


P.S. Also never heard of a college offering a four year degree with zero history requirements....
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Old 01-22-2013, 18:20   #9
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P.S. Also never heard of a college offering a four year degree with zero history requirements....
That poster said they went to a business college. I don't believe you earn a four year degree from a business college.
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I am not in the least bit shocked. I go through a dozen or so interns every year, we play pop quiz almost daily when I am in the office.
Me either because they dont teach history anymore...my kid is in 7th grade..he has never been taught basic American history in school. the closest they have come so far was Geography and he had to learn states and capitals..he didnt have a single science class until last year 6th grade either. They are more worried about if these kids can do and know algebra in 5th grade that I didnt get or do until 8th grade..and well thats about it..only homework he ever seems to have is Math and Spelling...This year in History they are finally starting on just a bit of stuff(they are studying about Pyramids and ancient Egypt right now) But as far as AMERICAN history or current world history NOTHING.
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I'm 22 and a college graduate. Without Googling I think it had to do with the cold war. Your quote was said by a president Nixon, wasn't it?

I never learned about the guy. Did not have history in college.

We had more current stuff to learn about. I don't know how long subjects like Business Ethics (lots about Enron) and Economics have been around, but those were the typical generals. I had a lot of computer classes...depending on your age you might not have had them.

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Old 01-21-2013, 22:09   #12
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I'm 22 and a college graduate. Without Googling I think it had to do with the cold war. Your quote was said by a president Nixon, wasn't it?
Uhh... no.

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I never learned about the guy. Did not have history in college.
If you didn't learn history, in my opinion, you shouldn't be allowed to call what you received a "college degree."

Everyone complains about gen eds and how worthless they are, but when we relax the requirements we end up with folks like this young man.
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Uhh... no.

If you didn't learn history, in my opinion, you shouldn't be allowed to call what you received a "college degree."

Everyone complains about gen eds and how worthless they are, but when we relax the requirements we end up with folks like this young man.
Dang. I've looked it up now.

I did not choose to skip out on history...it was not even offered. I can't say it's my fault for not knowing as no one has ever mentioned Mikhail Gorbachev as being important. Apparently the education I received was not to include this. Looks like we're all doomed.
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Dang. I've looked it up now.

I did not choose to skip out on history...it was not even offered. I can't say it's my fault for not knowing as no one has ever mentioned Mikhail Gorbachev as being important. Apparently the education I received was not to include this. Looks like we're all doomed.
You went to a "college" that didn't offer history classes?
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You went to a "college" that didn't offer history classes?
Yes A business college. Going by the OP's poll, it shows I'm not alone.

I wouldn't say it makes me less intelliget. We are all unique and know/retain different information.

In all honesty, I will be able to go through life without knowing quite a bit of history and i will be just fine. I can't name all the presidents either.
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I'm 22 and a college graduate. Without Googling I think it had to do with the cold war. Your quote was said by a president Nixon, wasn't it?

I never learned about the guy. Did not have history in college.

We had more current stuff to learn about. I don't know how long subjects like Business Ethics (lots about Enron) and Economics have been around, but those were the typical generals. I had a lot of computer classes...depending on your age you might not have had them.
Yeah, the "did not have history in college" does disturb me. I was a physics major, but still managed to have an intensive year long Humanities class, plus two History classes (plus political science, philosophy and some things I'm forgetting).

Learning history is extremely important, because human behavior is such that it tends to repeat itself. Studying the past helps us prepare for the future and make good decisions in the present. I was blessed to be taught by a great historian, who taught us not just to read the history, but to research who the authors of those writings were, and always consider their perspective. For when you read a history book, it tells you not just some facts, but it gives you insight into the author and their society as well. Complex stuff...

Lifelong learner here. My oldest son is in public schools in Louisville and just got into the Advanced Program. Basically, a different track which then funnels you into magnet middle schools and then top high schools. I know I'm in Kentucky, but we've got a couple amazingly good public high schools in town. I'm super happy he rocked his test and got on the right track. Teacher quality, high expectations, and a high level of fellow students are all important in my opinion.

And of course hard work, and a good work ethic. My kiddo loves math and science, but I'll guarantee he'll be studying his history too!!!
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College students between the age of 20-25 tonight that I asked, 8 said they had no idea and one asked "Wasn't he some kind of dictator or something?"


The question?

Do you know who was Mikhail Gorbachev?

I suppose I shouldn't be, but I am shocked by my own ignorance at the current state of the educational system.
30 years ago, if you had asked 9 college students who Chiang Kai-Shek was, do you think they would have known?

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This was a pivotal point in world history.
I agree. But there are lots and lots of pivotal moments in world history. Some are more important to some people than to others, just due to their perspective or interests or personal history. Do you know who Pak Chun Hee was?
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We truly are doomed to repeat...

They captured the educational system while we blinked.
I'm not disagreeing with you that it's horrendous and sad. I just don't understand why you think it was different before. People have always been ignorant.
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30 years ago, if you had asked 9 college students who Chiang Kai-Shek was, do you think they would have known?
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Considering how long he was influential and how short a time he had been dead in 1983, I would certainly hope so.

I graduated in 1990, and I damn well know who he was...though I would misspell his name 3 outta 5 times.

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30 years ago, if you had asked 9 college students who Chiang Kai-Shek was, do you think they would have known?
Actually yes. When the US “lost” China to the Communists it was considered a disaster and a major defeat.

While before my time, the draft forced students to pay attention to history and current events as their posteriors were on the line.

People could not be nonchalant then like today with an attitude that ignorance is cool.
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Alls I know is Reagan had a CJ6 he liked to tool around his ranch.

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I'm not sure where I learned it, but I'm a bit older, 33. I think it was too recent to learn in any of my history classes, and I was too young to know what was going on when it happened
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I'm not sure where I learned it, but I'm a bit older, 33. I think it was too recent to learn in any of my history classes, and I was too young to know what was going on when it happened
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Funny...I learned about it in my history classes in high school and again in my history classes in college. It isn't that they don't teach is, it is more that kids today don't really pay attention and the standards for passing keep dropping. Most of my college courses graded based on the highest performer, which depending on everyone else in the class could be a real boon. Or could make you hated for breaking the curve by actually paying attention and applying yourself.
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I'm 22 and a college graduate. Without Googling I think it had to do with the cold war. Your quote was said by a president Nixon, wasn't it?
Nope, that remark was made by Ronald Reagan to the then head of state of the Soviet Union in reference to the Berlin wall. The Berlin wall was a structure dividing West and East Germany, and for the most part was a globally recognized symbol in the spread of Communism over Western Europe.

Also, West Germany was using the HK G-3 at the time. There's a ton of cool firearm history to be researched from that era.
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I had fun with this for awhile.


I'm going to ask you a simple question and just answer as quickly as possible. Tell me when you're ready.

Who's the Vice-President?


The combination of putting people on the spot and Biden not being memorable causes a lot of people to blank. Some will answer it right away and look at you funny for asking a simple question. Others will just be at a loss.
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