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Old 01-08-2013, 14:46   #1
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.44spl

Hi all,

Of the more knowledgeable persons than I here (and it don't take too much with me) in Caliber Corner, please school me on this round.

On paper, a 200gr JHP round appears to be similar to the .45acp... very similar in size and speed.


As always, Thanks in advance!
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Old 01-08-2013, 16:21   #2
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Hi all,

Of the more knowledgeable persons than I here (and it don't take too much with me) in Caliber Corner, please school me on this round.

On paper, a 200gr JHP round appears to be similar to the .45acp... very similar in size and speed.


As always, Thanks in advance!
I never thought to make such a comparison, but it sounds about right. The SD is heavier in the .44.
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Old 01-08-2013, 17:29   #3
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.44 special is an oft overlooked but very effective round, and "bulldog" type .44 snubs are pretty easy to find. It's essentially the .45acp of the revolver round with similar diameter and cartridge weights. .44spl might be able to achieve slightly higher velocities due to its greater cartridge capacity. If you want to carry a revolver, can reasonably carry a larger weapon, but don't want to carry a magnum round like .357, then .44 is an excellent choice, and generally comes in a more compact package than .45lc.
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Old 01-08-2013, 17:37   #4
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great round for personal protection....5 shot snubbie in a small package like the Taurus 445 is a great carry package.

id like to trade a non locked 642 i have for one....
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Old 01-08-2013, 17:48   #5
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Generally the .45acp comparison is a good one.
Most common found .44sp loads are very soft, intended for Cowboy action shooting with round nosed lead 200-246gr bullets loaded 650-700fps.
The 200gr Gold Dot loaded in Blazer aluminum cased is good for about 850fps in a 3-4" revolver. A decent load.
Federal also loads a 200gr lead hollowpoint to similar velocity, also a fair defense load.
Winchester's 200gr Silvertip is loaded pretty light on velocity, but has performed well in jello testing. Light recoil.

Corbon loads an all copper 200gr DPX that should be a good load and gets 900fps range velocity, and Hornady offers their 180gr XTP in the same velocity range. Accuracy was good in my taurus 431.

If you want more honest .44sp loaded closer to potential, Buffalo Bore has a few, each looks pretty stout....I like the hardcast wadcutter load.
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Old 01-08-2013, 18:07   #6
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One of my favorites to handload yes similar to the .45 acp but I think a bit better in factory and a whole lot better in hand loads.

If you look at the .45 you have a full ,45 cal diameter and the "standard" bullet is a 230 gn. In the .44 you are actually a tick under .43cal with a standard "heavy" of 240gns and, as someone pointed out, it gives you a better sectional density and ballistic coefficient. What that basically means is that, with their heaviest standard bullet you will get more penetration out of the .44 at the same velocity yet be throwing a bit more weight. If you go to the same weight, say 200 gns, you still get more penetration with a similar bullet due to less resistance because of a smaller frontal area.
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Depends on the barrel length. In a snubby only the Corbon DPX and Win. ST mushroom consistently. Even the 200 gr. Gold Dot fails the 4 layer denim/gel test.
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44 speical will fit a lot of uses. I have used it as a snake doctor enough to full a pickup truck bed I bet.

Those 240 hard cast WC have enough Blue Dot behind them that I want admit it i public. I shoot cowboy loads a cottontail and beer cans.

Some times I load up a bunch of 200 gr cowboy loads. A friend and I go out and practice "shoot where you look. You ouwld be surprised how fast you start hitting 8" baloons at 7 yds every time.

44 special I like it. I got 2 SSA Colts 44 special from the early 50"

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Depends on the barrel length. In a snubby only the Corbon DPX and Win. ST mushroom consistently. Even the 200 gr. Gold Dot fails the 4 layer denim/gel test.
Silvertips in my snubbie.
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that ANYONE finds ANY ammo.
Seriously, around here .44 Special is non existent. Guess I'll have to mail order.
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rusty, wouldyou be willing to trade that for a s&w 642?
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Awesome, thanks to all!!!

Local shops only had Hornady 165gr & Blazer 200gr available. Midway has few choices too... now is probably a good time for me to start reloading.

Thanks again!
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Awesome, thanks to all!!!

Local shops only had Hornady 165gr & Blazer 200gr available. Midway has few choices too... now is probably a good time for me to start reloading.

Thanks again!
whats great about a revolver is you dont have to shoot 200 rounds or what ever to break it in. a few cylinders to get the load and sights regulated and a few more for familiarity..... the rest is just because you want to....
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I'm surprised

that ANYONE finds ANY ammo.
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whats great about a revolver is you dont have to shoot 200 rounds or what ever to break it in. a few cylinders to get the load and sights regulated and a few more for familiarity..... the rest is just because you want to....
You and I think alike on the topic. given that the biggest cause of semi auto failure is magazine related, eliminating that, and not having to test each new mag, makes the revolver much more practical.
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I have a nice S&W 21-4 Thunder Ranch .44 Special. It is one of the best handling handguns I've ever owned. The standard 246 gr. lead load is very useful for target shooting, etc. The Blazer aluminum case 200gr Gold Dot load is simply excellent.

As to availability, it varies. Any well stocked gun shop will have the round on the shelf. Yesterday I went to a fairly local (30 mile trip) gun shop. They had just about any type of ammunition one might want. They had several varieties of .44 Special. You just have to look and buy it when you see it.
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I have a nice S&W 21-4 Thunder Ranch .44 Special. It is one of the best handling handguns I've ever owned. The standard 246 gr. lead load is very useful for target shooting, etc. The Blazer aluminum case 200gr Gold Dot load is simply excellent.

As to availability, it varies. Any well stocked gun shop will have the round on the shelf. Yesterday I went to a fairly local (30 mile trip) gun shop. They had just about any type of ammunition one might want. They had several varieties of .44 Special. You just have to look and buy it when you see it.
I finally gave in and picked up a non TR Model 21-4 to augment my CA Bulldog and I do not regret either choice. I hesitated for a bit because of the IL, but I don't even notice it and it's become a non issue. Both are a pleasure to shoot. As far as ammo, I'm contemplating becoming a reloader, but I'm not there yet. WHEN I get started, GT is the first place I'll look for guidance.
Thanks to the wonders of the internet, locating ammo really isn't an issue. Mastercast Bullet Company was my primary source of reloads, but they no longer offer loaded ammo for sale. I've had good experiences with Georgia Arms, Underwood Ammo and PBR Ammo Companies for both practice and carry loads. Check Ammo Seek for current prices on the more popular commercial ammo to include Federal, Speer / Blazer Got Dot, Buffalo Bore, Corbon, Winchester, etc. CTD carries a BVAC 240 gr JHP load, which I haven't tried as of yet. With that being said, I wouldn't feel under gunned carrying a 240gr LSWC for self defense. Experiment with the load that works best in YOUR weapon system and utilize that. There is a TON of experience here on GT and the members are always willing to pass along some good advice....
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Old 01-11-2013, 16:43   #18
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Ajon412,

A NJ refugee here. Contact your state reps now over this steaming hot mess: http://www.guns.com/2013/01/10/new-j...gun-purchases/

Where is west new york, nj anyway? A mental health exam AND on-site home inspection?!? Wha da. My heart goes out to all y'all in NJ. I have resolved to only cross the border of NJ for a funeral... which is a shame really. There some really great things to see and do in NJ.
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Ajon412,

A NJ refugee here. Contact your state reps now over this steaming hot mess: http://www.guns.com/2013/01/10/new-j...gun-purchases/

Where is west new york, nj anyway? A mental health exam AND on-site home inspection?!? Wha da. My heart goes out to all y'all in NJ. I have resolved to only cross the border of NJ for a funeral... which is a shame really. There some really great things to see and do in NJ.
http://maps.google.com/maps?oe=utf-8...&ved=0CIgBELYD

W. NY is in Hudson County (Northern NJ) and borders the Hudson River across from NYC. Yea, I saw this the other day.....Typical lib....As is stands now, a Consent for Mental Health Records Search is part of the process when you apply for a Permit to Purchase,(6-8 weeks, if you're lucky) here in PRNJ. Seems she wants us to undergo an additional psych background and / or testing.....Next, they'll be asking for blood and urine samples......I'm not sure if this legislation is going anywhere, but ya never know...
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The 44sp is a great old round, but consider few guns & even fewer good SD loads, I would probably go up to a 44mag instead or down to a 41mag. The 44sp will be at it's best handloaded. A good 250grLSWHP @ 900fps is a pretty effective load on anything that needs shooting.
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