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Old 01-03-2013, 18:24   #1
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Well guys, I'm having misfires...

I was at my favorite LGS and just having a good ol' time with milady the G21...and unfortunately the striker's just not hitting hard enough the primers are hardly dented, so I don't think it's a crimping issue on my handloads. I recently put on a Ghost 3.5 trigger connector and a competition spring kit, and I was just wondering which of those two is probably guilty and deserves replacement. I don't have any issue with the standard trigger pull, but I just like light triggers (a curse). Oh also the gun had been in the trunk of my car for the majority of the 14 degree day we had here in IL. Any ideas?
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Old 01-03-2013, 19:02   #2
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did you change the striker spring? that could be the culprit
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Old 01-03-2013, 19:03   #3
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.... a competition spring kit, .... Any ideas?
competition spring kit?
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Old 01-03-2013, 19:08   #4
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Striker springs are 4lbs in a competition spring kit. Put the stock one back in if you changed it
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Old 01-03-2013, 19:14   #5
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Striker springs are 4lbs in a competition spring kit. Put the stock one back in if you changed it
This or switch to Federal primers only,me personally I'd rather have a gun that would ignite any primer. SJ 40
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Old 01-03-2013, 19:43   #6
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Agree with all previous-- put the stock striker spring in, or even the extra power striker spring. You can keep the comp trigger spring in.
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Old 01-03-2013, 19:54   #7
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how do you "compete" with a gun that does not work

did it work before you "improved " it?

once again improved until it doesn't work.
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Old 01-03-2013, 20:04   #8
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I decided to take the bet that the spring kit wouldn't cause reliability issues ...so much for that one. I always use federal match primers so looks like it'll be back to the original striker spring. I only changed the sights because the front plastic sight broke and then I just couldn't stop
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Old 01-04-2013, 06:59   #9
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the sights were a good change
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Old 01-04-2013, 07:03   #10
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I recently put on a Ghost 3.5 trigger connector and a competition spring kit,
The best competition spring kit and connector are the ones that come from Glock. If you learn the best trigger technique for shooting a Glock with speed and accuracy, you will find that the springs and connector you put in give you a longer trigger pull (in the part that counts) mushy break and make it hard to hold your trigger at the break point when you need to. If you don't understand what I mean by that, you haven't learned a good trigger technique for a Glock.

And, yes, as others have said, the "competition spring kit" is your problem. Thye last time I tried that was a Wilson spring kit in a revolver - never again.
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Old 01-04-2013, 08:42   #11
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Put stock parts back in then leave it alone. NEVER replace a part that does work for one that might
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Old 01-04-2013, 09:00   #12
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Leave your modified parts in, and just change the striker spring back to the stock one.

The Ghost Rocket is a great connector, and the spring kit is great for decreasing the trigger pull even a little more. Those of us who do that, use Federal primers. I've shot over 30,000 rounds with this setup, have yet to have ONE misfire.

With CCI primers (what I used previously) I had about a 7% misfire rate. I could have put the stock striker spring back in, but just went with the Federals and not one problem since.

All of these "keep it stock" bozos are just repeating the koolaid they've heard others spew. Spring kits and *quality* connectors are fine, but you do have to understand the mechanics and potential drawbacks.

Note: I only do this in COMPETITION guns, my SD gun indeed has a stock striker spring. If it's a gun upon which your life depends, the less I would mess with it.
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Old 01-04-2013, 09:16   #13
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Leave your modified parts in, and just change the striker spring back to the stock one.

The Ghost Rocket is a great connector, and the spring kit is great for decreasing the trigger pull even a little more. Those of us who do that, use Federal primers. I've shot over 30,000 rounds with this setup, have yet to have ONE misfire.

With CCI primers (what I used previously) I had about a 7% misfire rate. I could have put the stock striker spring back in, but just went with the Federals and not one problem since.

All of these "keep it stock" bozos are just repeating the koolaid they've heard others spew. Spring kits and *quality* connectors are fine, but you do have to understand the mechanics and potential drawbacks.

Note: I only do this in COMPETITION guns, my SD gun indeed has a stock striker spring. If it's a gun upon which your life depends, the less I would mess with it.
Great post. I couldn't agree more
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Leave your modified parts in, and just change the striker spring back to the stock one.

The Ghost Rocket is a great connector, and the spring kit is great for decreasing the trigger pull even a little more. Those of us who do that, use Federal primers. I've shot over 30,000 rounds with this setup, have yet to have ONE misfire.

With CCI primers (what I used previously) I had about a 7% misfire rate. I could have put the stock striker spring back in, but just went with the Federals and not one problem since.

All of these "keep it stock" bozos are just repeating the koolaid they've heard others spew. Spring kits and *quality* connectors are fine, but you do have to understand the mechanics and potential drawbacks.

Note: I only do this in COMPETITION guns, my SD gun indeed has a stock striker spring. If it's a gun upon which your life depends, the less I would mess with it.
This guy's speed, is based on technique. If you learned the technique, which is particularly effective for Glock and M&P triggers, you'd understand why my wife and I both changed our competition guns back to 100% stock connectors and springs after the first time we took a TDSA class. You really can be faster and more accurate with technique and stock triggers than you ever will be with equipment fixes, unless you are somehow blessed with a trigger finger that is not connected by muscle to any other part of your hand.

And, yes, before I actually learned to shoot a Glock, startying about 7-8 years ago, I'd have said that equipment makes it better, same as you guys. I was where you are, before going back to stock.
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Old 01-05-2013, 05:08   #15
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All of these "keep it stock" bozos are just repeating the koolaid they've heard others spew. Spring kits and *quality* connectors are fine, but you do have to understand the mechanics and potential drawbacks.

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Yes, and I wish that the other people who **** up their Glocks would create a topic that says "I ****ed my Glock up, I am an idiot", or something to that effect.

It would greatly reduce the "User induced crap: legitimate Glock issues ratio around here big time.


I have Glocks that have non stock parts in them, so not a "keep it stock bozo". I say keep it stock if you end up with the same results as the OP. Too much of a good thing leads to threads like these.
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Yes, and I wish that the other people who **** up their Glocks would create a topic that says "I ****ed my Glock up, I am an idiot", or something to that effect.

It would greatly reduce the "User induced crap: legitimate Glock issues ratio around here big time.


I have Glocks that have non stock parts in them, so not a "keep it stock bozo". I say keep it stock if you end up with the same results as the OP. Too much of a good thing leads to threads like these.
I agree that some people that get into their guns to change things have no buisness or aptitude to do so and should leave them alone.
However I don't get what is so bad about someone like the op making a thread like this. He put in some parts and is having trouble. He is just asking for an opinion on what is causin the problem. I'm sure that he realizes it may be a part that he put in, just not which one.
If you don't have time to help a fella out, don't post on his thread.
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I agree that some people that get into their guns to change things have no buisness or aptitude to do so and should leave them alone.
However I don't get what is so bad about someone like the op making a thread like this. He put in some parts and is having trouble. He is just asking for an opinion on what is causin the problem. I'm sure that he realizes it may be a part that he put in, just not which one.
If you don't have time to help a fella out, don't post on his thread.
He knows what is causing the problem. It's putting in 3-5 things simultaneously without function checking completely at each step.

I don't have a problem with his threads, or threads as these. It would be nice if the titles reflected the root issue - operator error.

Respectfully, it is not your place to tell me where to post - you can wish it as much as I wish for clarity in thread titles.
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Old 01-04-2013, 09:17   #18
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Did you 'clean' your gun and put nice 40-weight oil in the hole in the slide leading to the striker channel, before storing it at 14 degrees?
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you don't use that modified gun at any GSSF match in anything other than unlimited--right.
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you don't use that modified gun at any GSSF match in anything other than unlimited--right.
He didn't even say he shoots competition at all, let alone GSSF, Jim. Although most of the replies came from GSSFers who know about this stuff.
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