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Old 12-27-2012, 00:52   #1
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There will be no AWB!

1) We control the House
2) SCOTUS ruled the 2nd amendment is a RIGHT
3) The Liberals are panicking as they lose their gun control narrative!
4) Executive Order will accomplish nothing as obama has no authority to issue new law! He's out of place here and will easily lose any court battle!
5) The gun control tide is losing steam and were winning the majority of all gun control polls, And the NRA is gaining as many as 8K new members a day!
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Old 12-27-2012, 01:18   #2
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I hope you are right......


Summary of 2013 Feinstein Assault Weapons

Legislation

Bans the sale, transfer, importation, or manufacturing of:

120 specifically-named firearms

Certain other semiautomatic rifles, handguns, shotguns that can accept a

detachable magazine and have one military characteristic

Semiautomatic rifles and handguns with a fixed magazine that can accept

more than 10 rounds

Strengthens the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban and various state bans by:

Moving from a 2-characteristic test to a 1-characteristic test

Eliminating the easy-to-remove bayonet mounts andflash suppressors from

the characteristics test

Banning firearms with “thumbhole stocks” and “bulletbuttons” to address

attempts to “work around” prior bans

Bans large-capacity ammunition feeding devices capable of accepting more than

10 rounds.

Protects legitimate hunters and the rights of existinggun owners by:

Grandfathering weaponslegally possessed on the date of enactment

Exempting over900 specifically-named weapons used for hunting or

sporting purposes and

Exempting antique,manually-operated, and permanently disabled weapons

Requires that grandfathered weapons be registered underthe National Firearms

Act, toinclude:

o Background check of owner and any transferee;

o Type and serial number of the firearm;

o Positive identification, including photograph and fingerprint;

o Certification from local law enforcement ofidentity and that

possession would not violate State or local law; and

o Dedicated funding for ATF to implement registration
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Old 12-27-2012, 07:07   #3
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Requires that grandfathered weapons be registered underthe National Firearms

Act, toinclude:

o Background check of owner and any transferee;

o Type and serial number of the firearm;

o Positive identification, including photograph and fingerprint;

o Certification from local law enforcement ofidentity and that

possession would not violate State or local law; and

o Dedicated funding for ATF to implement registration
^ Only reason for this is so they can take them away on a later date.
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Old 12-27-2012, 08:48   #4
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Because the Republicans control the House, they can prevent any new legislation by simply doing nothing. Any new law has to be approved by both House and Senate. The far right wing of the party controls the House. Right now they are blocking the fiscal cliff legislation because they won't support a tax increase for people making over $1 million per year so I doubt they are going to cave to Democratic pressure on the issue of guns. If the pressure to "do something" continues into the Spring they can drag things out for another 6 months by holding committee hearings and then write a bill that deals solely with preventing the mentally ill from buying guns and forcing the Justice Dept. to actually prosecute people who lie on the 4473 form. It will be impossible to reconcile this bill with a Senate AWB bill so the whole thing will die.
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Old 12-27-2012, 10:00   #5
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Because the Republicans control the House, they can prevent any new legislation by simply doing nothing. Any new law has to be approved by both House and Senate. The far right wing of the party controls the House. Right now they are blocking the fiscal cliff legislation because they won't support a tax increase for people making over $1 million per year so I doubt they are going to cave to Democratic pressure on the issue of guns. If the pressure to "do something" continues into the Spring they can drag things out for another 6 months by holding committee hearings and then write a bill that deals solely with preventing the mentally ill from buying guns and forcing the Justice Dept. to actually prosecute people who lie on the 4473 form. It will be impossible to reconcile this bill with a Senate AWB bill so the whole thing will die.
Excellent post.

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Old 12-27-2012, 10:12   #6
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Feinsteins ban is so bad nobody will vote for it, it will be back to the drawing board and theyll run out of steam. Republians wont vote for it, poilitical suicide for a republican. Remember the 94 ban? Both houses got taken by republicans. Democrats wont touch the bill if they care about reelection, it wont help them and they know we'll clear out congress.
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Because the Republicans control the House, they can prevent any new legislation by simply doing nothing. Any new law has to be approved by both House and Senate. The far right wing of the party controls the House. Right now they are blocking the fiscal cliff legislation because they won't support a tax increase for people making over $1 million per year so I doubt they are going to cave to Democratic pressure on the issue of guns. If the pressure to "do something" continues into the Spring they can drag things out for another 6 months by holding committee hearings and then write a bill that deals solely with preventing the mentally ill from buying guns and forcing the Justice Dept. to actually prosecute people who lie on the 4473 form. It will be impossible to reconcile this bill with a Senate AWB bill so the whole thing will die.
There's a far right wing in the Republican Party? News to me.
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Old 12-28-2012, 12:39   #8
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I hope you are right......


Summary of 2013 Feinstein Assault Weapons

Legislation

Bans the sale, transfer, importation, or manufacturing of:

120 specifically-named firearms

Certain other semiautomatic rifles, handguns, shotguns that can accept a

detachable magazine and have one military characteristic

Semiautomatic rifles and handguns with a fixed magazine that can accept

more than 10 rounds

Strengthens the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban and various state bans by:

Moving from a 2-characteristic test to a 1-characteristic test

Eliminating the easy-to-remove bayonet mounts andflash suppressors from

the characteristics test

Banning firearms with “thumbhole stocks” and “bulletbuttons” to address

attempts to “work around” prior bans

Bans large-capacity ammunition feeding devices capable of accepting more than

10 rounds.

Protects legitimate hunters and the rights of existinggun owners by:

Grandfathering weaponslegally possessed on the date of enactment

Exempting over900 specifically-named weapons used for hunting or

sporting purposes and

Exempting antique,manually-operated, and permanently disabled weapons

Requires that grandfathered weapons be registered underthe National Firearms

Act, toinclude:

o Background check of owner and any transferee;

o Type and serial number of the firearm;

o Positive identification, including photograph and fingerprint;

o Certification from local law enforcement ofidentity and that

possession would not violate State or local law; and

o Dedicated funding for ATF to implement registration
They put that bill out every ****ing year since the sunset of the 94 crime bill ban.
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Old 12-28-2012, 12:54   #9
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They put that bill out every ****ing year since the sunset of the 94 crime bill ban.
Man, somebody tell Feinstein she needs to quit the Senate and just concentrate on being a professional lobbyist for the anti crowd. At least that'll get her out of government.
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Old 12-28-2012, 13:31   #10
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They put that bill out every ****ing year since the sunset of the 94 crime bill ban.
All true.

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Old 12-27-2012, 01:30   #11
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If you guys aren't familiar with NFA weapons now, better get familiar if this bill passes.
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Old 12-27-2012, 06:03   #12
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If you guys aren't familiar with NFA weapons now, better get familiar if this bill passes.
Won't matter if this passes in its current form because it bans transfer outright. In other words, you must go through the NFA process to keep what you've got, but you won't be able to buy someone else's registered weapon.

That said, this looks so onerous as to make it more difficult to get moderate votes. The worse the bill, the less likely it will get passed.
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Old 12-27-2012, 06:19   #13
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No AWB.

Got to think positive.

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Old 12-27-2012, 06:21   #14
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I think the OP has overdosed on the NRA Kool-Aid! Sorry folks don't think we are going to escape this one. When children are killed like they were...The anti-gun liberals surface.
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I think the OP has overdosed on the NRA Kool-Aid! Sorry folks don't think we are going to escape this one. When children are killed like they were...The anti-gun liberals surface.
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I truly believe people in the firearms owning community are severely under-estimating what is happening right now.

We'll see.
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Old 12-27-2012, 11:08   #16
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I truly believe people in the firearms owning community are severely under-estimating what is happening right now.

We'll see.
Some of us pay more attention than others.

A lot of us remember the first AWB, and the political slaughter that followed the next mid-term election. A lot of Democrats remember this as well.

Feinstein had this bill in her desk, and has probably proposed it every few months since the last AWB expired.

A US Senator got shot in the face and it was just like this, where all you heard about for the next few weeks was "ban this" and "regulate that". Bills were proposed but were laughed at in Committee, they never made it to the floor for a vote. It was forgotten shortly after.

VP Biden was put in charge of the effort, if that tells you anything about how serious Obama is about passing a ban Now, when nothing succeeds, he can tell the loonies on the Left "Well, I put the vice president in charge of this, if he couldn't get it done no one could have "
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1) We control the House
2) SCOTUS ruled the 2nd amendment is a RIGHT
3) The Liberals are panicking as they lose their gun control narrative!
4) Executive Order will accomplish nothing as obama has no authority to issue new law! He's out of place here and will easily lose any court battle!
5) The gun control tide is losing steam and were winning the majority of all gun control polls, And the NRA is gaining as many as 8K new members a day!
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That said, this looks so onerous as to make it more difficult to get moderate votes. The worse the bill, the less likely it will get passed.


I agree with both of these posts and am also *cautiously* optimistic that there will not be a new *federal* ban.

That said:

- Pay attention to what your STATE legislature may be up to. I know in California we have some BIG battles ahead of us this year.

- DO NOT GET COMPLACENT. CALL, EMAIL, AND WRITE THE FEDERAL POLITICIANS FREQUENTLY TO VOICE YOUR OPPOSITION TO THIS BILL.

It will be amended to be less draconian than originally written, which may make it more tempting to some politicians, so keep up the pressure.



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I agree with the OP.
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didnt we control the house when obama care was pushed through?

didnt the scotus change obama care so that it fell as a tax instead?

didnt obama use executive orders to change a lot of things while he holds the office?

do you still believe that the house of reps will stay conservative?

do you still believe the scotus will stand by the constitution and not revise it?

do you still believe obama wont threaten others with executive orders and other things?

dont be naive about the levels the democrats will sink to in order to get their way and change America from made it great.
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Old 12-27-2012, 11:26   #20
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didnt we control the house when obama care was pushed through?

didnt the scotus change obama care so that it fell as a tax instead?

didnt obama use executive orders to change a lot of things while he holds the office?

do you still believe that the house of reps will stay conservative?

do you still believe the scotus will stand by the constitution and not revise it?

do you still believe obama wont threaten others with executive orders and other things?

dont be naive about the levels the democrats will sink to in order to get their way and change America from made it great.
Wow, for starters don't you remember Speaker Pelosi telling everyone they needed to vote for 0bamacare to see what's inside it? No, the Dems controlled the House and Senate and it was passed without a single Republican vote.

The SCOTUS said the penalty was a tax, and Congress had the authority to levy taxes. The Penalty was the question before them. They also said the States couldn't be blackmailed into expanding their Medicaid. I guess that part of their decision went right over your head too?

0bma hasn't changed much with executive orders. They aren't an unlimited power.

The House is standing pretty firm on the Fiscal Cliff. The Pubbies know they'll never get reelected if they throw guns under the bus.

SCOTUS doesn't have the power to revise the Constitution. Only Congress does, with a supermajority and it also requires a supermajority ratification by a majority of states. You really don't know how our government works judging by your questions.
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