Ed Brown, Nighthawk, Wilson Combat

FLAWLS1 · 11-28-2012, 02:05

Anyone here own one of these makes? I may sell a few things to get one. I like the CQB, CQB Elite, Kobra Carry, GRP, Talon, T3's. If you have experience with these what brand would you say is better made?

TTM65 · 11-28-2012, 02:24

I will probably start an argument here but for what they are I think the Brown and Wilson are overpriced. Some of the nighthawk are not bad for the money.

spikedzombies · 11-28-2012, 02:41

None of the above, your paying for the name and prestige. You can find just as good or better shooters for les..

"Sent Via Time Traveling Blue Police Box"

glock2740 · 11-28-2012, 04:45

I own all of the above mentioned, as well as few others, and will say that for the money and quality, I would say that Guncrafter makes THE best semi-custom 1911 for the money out there these days.

GOOFA · 11-29-2012, 11:09

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I own all of the above mentioned, as well as few others, and will say that for the money and quality, I would say that Guncrafter makes THE best semi-custom 1911 for the money out there these days.

+1

bac1023 · 11-29-2012, 12:36

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Originally Posted by glock2740

I would say that Guncrafter makes THE best semi-custom 1911 for the money out there these days.

glock2740 · 11-28-2012, 04:47

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Originally Posted by spikedzombies

None of the above, your paying for the name and prestige. You can find just as good or better shooters for les..

By reading your post, are you suggesting a Baer?

ca survivor · 11-28-2012, 06:55

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Originally Posted by glock2740

By reading your post, are you suggesting a Baer?

I see what you did here.

HexHead · 11-28-2012, 05:50

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Originally Posted by spikedzombies

None of the above, your paying for the name and prestige. You can find just as good or better shooters for les..

Do you own any of the above?

glock2740 · 11-28-2012, 04:49

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Originally Posted by FLAWLS1

Anyone here own one of these makes? I may sell a few things to get one. I like the CQB, CQB Elite, Kobra Carry, GRP, Talon, T3's. If you have experience with these what brand would you say is better made?

You're kinda all over the place in those choices. Do you want a fullsized 1911 or a Commander or a CCO?

***faawrenchbndr*** · 11-28-2012, 05:22

Of the three,........the Brown is the better pistol.
However, check into Guncrafter Industries.

jdw174 · 11-28-2012, 05:31

If the NightHawk Custom "Richard Heinie Signature Series" are anywhere near as good as what Dick Heinie built, then I'd say they're worth every penny. I had two of Dick's custom .45's, and they totally outshown anything else on the market. Sadly, most of today's creations are just "slightly" out of my price range.

spikedzombies · 11-28-2012, 06:19

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Do you own any of the above?

Own no, shot and handled yes. To me they don't shoot any different than a high quality colt or custom gun. But what do I know.

"Sent Via Time Traveling Blue Police Box"

glock2740 · 11-28-2012, 07:39

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Own no, shot and handled yes. To me they don't shoot any different than a high quality colt or custom gun. But what do I know.

What's a "high quality Colt"?

I have a complete custom Colt Commander that the only thing left about it that's Colt, is the slide and frame, which were re-fit. I consider that a "high quality Colt". But it's also a total custom Colt too, hardchromed by Virgil Tripp.

Pictured here with my hardchromed Guncrafter No Name Commander

fnfalman · 11-28-2012, 07:53

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Originally Posted by spikedzombies

Own no, shot and handled yes. To me they don't shoot any different than a high quality colt or custom gun. But what do I know.

"Sent Via Time Traveling Blue Police Box"

Oh no, you didn't?!!

matt_lowry123 · 12-07-2012, 14:00

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Oh no, you didn't?!!

bac1023 · 11-28-2012, 18:08

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Originally Posted by spikedzombies

Own no, shot and handled yes. To me they don't shoot any different than a high quality colt or custom gun. But what do I know.

"Sent Via Time Traveling Blue Police Box"

A "custom" gun could mean anything and in some cases they are better than those listed. I don't know how you could compare Colt though.

**DustyJacket** · 11-28-2012, 07:03

I own a Wilson Combat.
I had no wish for one, but some SOB put one in my hand. The action was like glass; the balance perfect; the trigger was sweet.

So I ordered a Bill Wilson Carry with 2 upgrades. It is a sweet gun.

Worth it? I don't know, but I like it.

Here is mine:

MD357 · 11-28-2012, 07:33

Wilson as of lately is disappointing with all the price increases to ME, you're just better off going full custom for $3-4K+. That being said, Wilson Combat is the best in terms of building you anything you want and using parts THEY make including their own frames. Nighthawk is a shadow of what it used to be, personally, I'm not a fan when there are several others to consider. Browns are pretty and well made, have a friend that has 20K through his in the last couple years. Baer is still the best deal going on this "tier" of 1911s but you're not gonna get much bling, if you're a shooter then you won't care.

HexHead · 11-28-2012, 09:15

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Nighthawk is a shadow of what it used to be, personally, I'm not a fan when there are several others to consider.

I can't speak to what they're building now, my bobtail Talon II is from 2008. I couldn't ask for anything more in terms of craftsmanship or accuracy. Mine was built to order, direct from NHC.

I will say I'm not impressed with some of the models on their website recently.

HAIL CAESAR · 11-28-2012, 19:57

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Originally Posted by MD357

Wilson as of lately is disappointing with all the price increases to ME, you're just better off going full custom for $3-4K+. That being said, Wilson Combat is the best in terms of building you anything you want and using parts THEY make including their own frames. Nighthawk is a shadow of what it used to be, personally, I'm not a fan when there are several others to consider. Browns are pretty and well made, have a friend that has 20K through his in the last couple years. Baer is still the best deal going on this "tier" of 1911s but you're not gonna get much bling, if you're a shooter then you won't care.

I couldn't have said better.

ajgranda · 12-08-2012, 07:12

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Nighthawk is a shadow of what it used to be, personally, I'm not a fan when there are several others to consider. .

I'm not too sure of that. I spoke to a NHC rep recently and they said all of their parts are now forged, no castings. On par with WC bulletproof parts. Also, their standard BN treatment (not coating) is better than anything Wilson or Brown offers. If you want any color other than Black, they still use Permakote though.

MD357 · 12-08-2012, 08:07

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I'm not too sure of that. I spoke to a NHC rep recently and they said all of their parts are now forged, no castings. On par with WC bulletproof parts. Also, their standard BN treatment (not coating) is better than anything Wilson or Brown offers. If you want any color other than Black, they still use Permakote though.

Yeah they're full of it. Look up them using Kimber ambi safeties and guys sending them back and NH's CS giving them hell saying they won't warranty them. They knew if they wanted a strong ambi they'd have to buy them from Wilson. It's good that they started using melonite or whatever but their other coatings had issues. The biggest problem I have is that they are on remsport frame and slides. Nothing wrong with them but I'm not paying $3k for one when I can have either a DW (cheaper) or a Wilson or Brown. Whom, make their own stuff including their own frame and slides. Nighthawk merely buys stuff and rebadges it so I'm not impressed for that kind of money when Baer, Brown, GC, and Wilson are the competition. YMMV.

ajgranda · 12-08-2012, 09:11

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Yeah they're full of it. Look up them using Kimber ambi safeties and guys sending them back and NH's CS giving them hell saying they won't warranty them. They knew if they wanted a strong ambi they'd have to buy them from Wilson. It's good that they started using melonite or whatever but their other coatings had issues. The biggest problem I have is that they are on remsport frame and slides. Nothing wrong with them but I'm not paying $3k for one when I can have either a DW (cheaper) or a Wilson or Brown. Whom, make their own stuff including their own frame and slides. Nighthawk merely buys stuff and rebadges it so I'm not impressed for that kind of money when Baer, Brown, GC, and Wilson are the competition. YMMV.

I remember NHC not guaranteeing their ambi safety in the past. Not sure if they are still using the same one. I would not be getting an ambi so that's not an issue for me. As for the slides and frame, I always thought they were built in house. I will ask NHC and see what they say. I would have an issue if they weren't. I know their Enforcer uses a Caspian frame. Thanks

From NHC website: http://www.nighthawkcustom.com/about-nighthawk/

MD357 · 12-08-2012, 09:35

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I remember NHC not guaranteeing their ambi safety in the past. Not sure if they are still using the same one. I would not be getting an ambi so that's not an issue for me. As for the slides and frame, I always thought they were built in house. I will ask NHC and see what they say. I would have an issue if they weren't. I know their Enforcer uses a Caspian frame. Thanks

From NHC website: http://www.nighthawkcustom.com/about-nighthawk/

I don't like ambis either but I couldn't for the life of me understand the mentality of putting a Kimber part (some of the worst production parts out there by my experiences) on a custom gun.

"Now with undercut frames!!" <-----

Glad they finally fixed that.