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11-26-2012, 15:16
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Isaiah 53:4-9
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The belief that dogs are "people" kills
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/11/26...g-to-save-dog/
Ironically, the only survivor was the dog. When people overly anthropomorphize animals into pseudo-humans, this sort of thing happens. No dog is worth the death of an entire family.
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11-26-2012, 15:18
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Originally Posted by Kingarthurhk
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That may be your personal belief, but it isn't mine.
I'd risk my life to save my pets. I don't necessarily feel the same about other humans or even some of my own family members.
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11-26-2012, 15:20
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Isaiah 53:4-9
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Originally Posted by fnfalman
That may be your personal belief, but it isn't mine.
I'd risk my life to save my pets. I don't necessarily feel the same about other humans or even some of my own family members.
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That is some really sad priorities that you value animal life above humans and your own family. Are you vegan, and do you avoid all animal products? If not, it would appear your ethics and priorities are more tangled than twenty year old christmas lights.
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11-26-2012, 15:25
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Chicks Dig It
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kingarthurhk
That is some really sad priorities that you value animal life above humans and your own family. Are you vegan, and do you avoid all animal products? If not, it would appear your ethics and priorities are more tangled than twenty year old christmas lights.
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What does my being a carnivore have to do with my pets?
Do you eat your pets on a regular basis?
My pets give me comfort and entertainment. My pets don't vote for Democrats or Republicans. My pets don't go and rape & kill others because of religious beliefs.
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11-26-2012, 15:31
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Isaiah 53:4-9
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Quote:
Originally Posted by fnfalman
What does my being a carnivore have to do with my pets?
Do you eat your pets on a regular basis?
My pets give me comfort and entertainment. My pets don't vote for Democrats or Republicans. My pets don't go and rape & kill others because of religious beliefs.
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If you are a carnivore, then clearly you can distinguish that animal life is expendable for the use of humans. Therefore, valuing animal life about human life doesn't work. Like I said, 20 year old Christmas lights.
If it was a choice between my wife and children and the dog, the dog goes.
It must be too much city living, I don't get it.
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11-26-2012, 15:37
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Originally Posted by Kingarthurhk
If you are a carnivore, then clearly you can distinguish that animal life is expendable for the use of humans. Therefore, valuing animal life about human life doesn't work. Like I said, 20 year old Christmas lights.
If it was a choice between my wife and children and the dog, the dog goes.
It must be too much city living, I don't get it.
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Not all animals are pets.
I couldn't give a rat's ass if a Japanese cow got killed so that I can have kobe steak and the sweet honey gets a nice handbag. If somebody were to try to kill my pet cow for food, then we'd have some serious problems resulting in death and violence of human beings.
I couldn't give a rat's patooey if my next door neighbor's dog were to drown. However, I'd risk my life to save my dog.
I don't have a wife, but if I were to have one and it's between her and my dog, I'd have to flip a coin. My dog doesn't nag on me. Nor does it want my credit cards to go buy shoes.
I hope that makes it clear for you.
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11-26-2012, 15:37
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kingarthurhk
If you are a carnivore, then clearly you can distinguish that animal life is expendable for the use of humans.
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You make a fallacious assumption. I'm guessing that fnfalman would agree wtih the idea that not all animal life (and not all human life) has the same value.
I wouldn't eat my pets. I wouldn't kill my family. But I would eat some animals and I would kill some people.
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11-26-2012, 16:47
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Quote:
Originally Posted by fnfalman
What does my being a carnivore have to do with my pets?
Do you eat your pets on a regular basis?
My pets give me comfort and entertainment. My pets don't vote for Democrats or Republicans. My pets don't go and rape & kill others because of religious beliefs.
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That's how it starts: eating his pets. Next thing, he'll be eating his children.
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11-28-2012, 19:30
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Quote:
Originally Posted by fnfalman
What does my being a carnivore have to do with my pets?
Do you eat your pets on a regular basis?
My pets give me comfort and entertainment. My pets don't vote for Democrats or Republicans. My pets don't go and rape & kill others because of religious beliefs.
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I had a daschund that would rape any stuffed animal he could get his paws on.
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11-30-2012, 11:31
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Quote:
Originally Posted by fnfalman
What does my being a carnivore have to do with my pets?
Do you eat your pets on a regular basis?
My pets give me comfort and entertainment. My pets don't vote for Democrats or Republicans. My pets don't go and rape & kill others because of religious beliefs.
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Dogs kill people regularly.
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11-30-2012, 11:49
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11-30-2012, 12:15
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Originally Posted by Paul7
Dogs kill people regularly.
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Not nearly as regularly as people kill dogs. And I'm not referring to humane euthanasia for medical reasons or population control or some other valid reason, I'm referring to sickos like md2lgyk. Unfortunately, the world is full of them.
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11-26-2012, 17:17
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kingarthurhk
That is some really sad priorities that you value animal life above humans and your own family. Are you vegan, and do you avoid all animal products? If not, it would appear your ethics and priorities are more tangled than twenty year old christmas lights.
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That..... is stupid.
You judge his ethics and priorities based on a flip comment on the web. Accuse him of being vegan because he'd risk himself to save his pet?
I got news for you, I'd risk my life to save my little buddies. Hell, I'd risk YOUR life to save them.
Why?
I love my dogs, they make me feel better after a bad day when they both jump in my lap and burrow their heads into my neck and wiggle with pleasure as I scratch them. You're just another judgmental A-hole in a hat.
I know far too many people I wouldn't piddle on if they was on fire, I never met a dog that made me feel that way.
Now you have someone to judge.
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11-27-2012, 18:43
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Isaiah 53:4-9
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Originally Posted by Lone Wolf8634
That..... is stupid.
You judge his ethics and priorities based on a flip comment on the web. Accuse him of being vegan because he'd risk himself to save his pet?
I got news for you, I'd risk my life to save my little buddies. Hell, I'd risk YOUR life to save them.
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That is is dispicable.
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Why?
I love my dogs, they make me feel better after a bad day when they both jump in my lap and burrow their heads into my neck and wiggle with pleasure as I scratch them. You're just another judgmental A-hole in a hat.
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I like dogs, I have always owned dogs. But, I am not some yuppie city slicker who can't tell the difference between canine and human. animal and human.
Unlike you, I would gladly let my dog die, if it was a choice between saving a human life, or her life. It isn't that hard.
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I know far too many people I wouldn't piddle on if they was on fire, I never met a dog that made me feel that way.
Now you have someone to judge.
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Oh, there are a lot of people I dislike in this life. Some of them are still alive because it is illegal and immoral to kill them. However, they still have more value than a dog.
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11-27-2012, 18:45
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Originally Posted by Kingarthurhk
That is is dispicable.
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Actually, what he said has more virtue than any of the dribble you've offered up, including your original post.
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11-27-2012, 18:55
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Originally Posted by Kingarthurhk
That is is dispicable.
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Irrisputably.
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11-27-2012, 19:09
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kingarthurhk
That is is dispicable.
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Actually, it's rather spot on. HH
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11-28-2012, 05:11
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Originally Posted by Kingarthurhk
..... Oh, there are a lot of people I dislike in this life. Some of them are still alive because it is illegal and immoral to kill them. However, they still have more value than a dog.
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This is your opinion. There is nothing wrong with your opinion.
Others have the opinion that there are a lot of people that have less value than a dog. You seem to want them to change their opinion, though I maybe misinterpreting that.
I don't think dogs (or cats) are people, but I'd sure as shootin risk my life to save many dogs and cats before I'd lift a finger to save many people.
Irrisputably discusting FTW!
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11-28-2012, 15:51
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kingarthurhk
That is is dispicable.
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 Cry me a river.
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Originally Posted by Kingarthurhk
I like dogs, I have always owned dogs. But, I am not some yuppie city slicker who can't tell the difference between canine and human. animal and human.
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  Humans are animals.
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Originally Posted by Kingarthurhk
Unlike you, I would gladly let my dog die, if it was a choice between saving a human life, or her life. It isn't that hard.
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We've already established that we are nothing alike.
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Originally Posted by Kingarthurhk
Oh, there are a lot of people I dislike in this life. Some of them are still alive because it is illegal and immoral to kill them. However, they still have more value than a dog.
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The arrogance of the human animal never fails to amaze me.
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11-27-2012, 06:21
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kingarthurhk
That is some really sad priorities that you value animal life above humans and your own family. Are you vegan, and do you avoid all animal products? If not, it would appear your ethics and priorities are more tangled than twenty year old christmas lights.
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Depends on the animal and the human. There are humans whose life I value more than any animal. And there are animals whose life I value more than the rest of the humans.
The sad part is the dog was able to get out of the water on it's own.
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11-26-2012, 16:46
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Originally Posted by fnfalman
That may be your personal belief, but it isn't mine.
I'd risk my life to save my pets. I don't necessarily feel the same about other humans or even some of my own family members.
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I agree.
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11-26-2012, 18:48
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Quote:
Originally Posted by fnfalman
That may be your personal belief, but it isn't mine.
I'd risk my life to save my pets. I don't necessarily feel the same about other humans or even some of my own family members.
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we agree  
our pets are family period .
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11-26-2012, 21:52
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Quote:
Originally Posted by fnfalman
That may be your personal belief, but it isn't mine.
I'd risk my life to save my pets. I don't necessarily feel the same about other humans or even some of my own family members.
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Thank you. I totally agree with fnfalman.
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11-26-2012, 22:14
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Quote:
Originally Posted by fnfalman
That may be your personal belief, but it isn't mine.
I'd risk my life to save my pets. I don't necessarily feel the same about other humans or even some of my own family members.
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I've jumped through ice to save a dog and kicked a foaming racoon with sandals to save a horse. I also cracked a beer when the punk kid down the next road was life-flighted away after trying to steal stuff from a utility substation. Still have the dog, the horse made it to 28 and the kid steers his chair with his tongue and I sleep well at night. HH
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11-26-2012, 22:24
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Originally Posted by HollowHead
I've jumped through ice to save a dog and kicked a foaming racoon with sandals to save a horse. I also cracked a beer when the punk kid down the next road was life-flighted away after trying to steal stuff from a utility substation. Still have the dog, the horse made it to 28 and the kid steers his chair with his tongue and I sleep well at night. HH
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I really don't know how I could agree with you any more than I do now.
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