Concealed Carry- A Police Officers Prospective

***HerrGlock*** · 11-20-2012, 04:20

http://mikesbales.hubpages.com/hub/C...rs-Prospective

Gunhaver · 11-20-2012, 05:01

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Originally Posted by HerrGlock

http://mikesbales.hubpages.com/hub/C...rs-Prospective

Seriously? This cop thinks he needs to take my gun back to his car and unload it, run the serial# with no probable cause to think it's stolen (how many CCW holders are packing stolen guns?) and then come back and put it in the back seat while I figure out how to clean the sticky Mt. Dew residue from the cupholder off of 15 Golden Sabers?

Nope. That's just paranoia. In my state I'm not required to inform so I don't. That's the law. Officer nervous will just have to learn to be OK with citizens following the law.

***Gallium*** · 11-20-2012, 05:06

I can appreciate his keen intent to get home safe, but I disagree with his methodology, and his warped perception that 99.99% of officers who wish to assume control of the gun will want it to be handed to them.

If he meant that 99.99% of officers will want to take control of the gun, I also disagree with that premise. Realizing that statistical data is not supplanted by anecdotal experience, I won't even bother highlighting my own DWA stops.

- G

Resqu2 · 11-20-2012, 05:10

His thoughts are different from the VA state troopers I have dealt with on a few occasions, I have only been stopped a few times, the first one wasn't a bit concerned, didn't even ask where it was. The second one that I told about my gun just smiled and told me " don't show me yours and I won't show you mine"

I wouldn't like having my gun taken during a stop but I wouldn't cause a fuss over it either. May tell him since he's taking mine I'd like to hold on to his during the stop.

The only thing I didn't agree on him saying was that he would be upset cause you didn't tell him when it's not required by law. He should work to have the law changed if he don't like it, not get mad at whoever he just stopped.

***HerrGlock*** · 11-20-2012, 05:16

Please, please, please, leave a note on the linked page as well.

airmotive · 11-20-2012, 05:29

Say it with me:
"No unnecessary handling of a loaded weapon."
"No unnecessary handling of a loaded weapon."
"No unnecessary handling of a loaded weapon."

Patchman · 11-20-2012, 08:31

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Originally Posted by airmotive

Say it with me:
"No unnecessary handling of a loaded weapon."
"No unnecessary handling of a loaded weapon."
"No unnecessary handling of a loaded weapon."

^^^ This.

A gun doesn't go off when it's in a holster.
A gun might go off when it's being taken out or put back into a holster, especially when the holster is on a belt. Worse if an IWB holster.

The more people you ask to remove and then reholster their guns, the greater the chance you're going have an AD.

k9medic · 11-20-2012, 05:37

In 15 years as a cop I have never asked to see a CCW'ers gun.

I have on more than one occasion talked with the person about how they like their fun though.

***Gallium*** · 11-20-2012, 05:40

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Originally Posted by k9medic

In 15 years as a cop I have never asked to see a CCW'ers gun.

I have on more than one occasion talked with the person about how they like their fun though.

I don't think you have enough experience as a cop yet (noob!) to speak intelligently on the matter.

And when you do get enough experience you'll be an old dinosouric fart whose opinion won't matter anyways!

Longtooths · 11-20-2012, 06:13

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Originally Posted by Gallium

dinosouric fart

Permission to use this please?

***Gallium*** · 11-20-2012, 10:03

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Originally Posted by Longtooths

Permission to use this please?

GRANTED!

eracer · 11-20-2012, 05:45

Statements like these scare the crap out of me:

"Please understand that police work is not a science, but an art."

Detective work may have an artistic element, but standard law enforcement, including traffic stops?

Believing that to be true implies that the statutes are a palette that an officer can use to 'express his creativity' as he wields the power to detain, arrest, and use deadly force.

chargingzebra · 11-20-2012, 05:48

I see valid concerns on the part of the officer for his safety, but the man who
informs the officer and is legally carrying concealed is probably not the one he has to worry about.
Having the gun clear the holster just makes things far more complicated. I can shoot someone far faster when my gun is in my hand and pointed away than when I have to draw it and then aim, so he's not buying himself much safety. And what if the suspect relinquishes his main gun and use his BUG to kill the officer who thinks he is dealing with an unarmed suspect? The practice of taking the suspects gun only makes sense if the suspect is not legally carrying or is displaying an intent to become violent and/or use the gun.

Fear Night · 11-20-2012, 11:17

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Originally Posted by chargingzebra

I see valid concerns on the part of the officer for his safety, but the man who
informs the officer and is legally carrying concealed is probably not the one he has to worry about.
Having the gun clear the holster just makes things far more complicated. I can shoot someone far faster when my gun is in my hand and pointed away than when I have to draw it and then aim, so he's not buying himself much safety. And what if the suspect relinquishes his main gun and use his BUG to kill the officer who thinks he is dealing with an unarmed suspect? The practice of taking the suspects gun only makes sense if the suspect is not legally carrying or is displaying an intent to become violent and/or use the gun.

Exactly. A guy that is determined to shoot is going to shoot regardless. Maybe this individual wants to give the officer a false sense of security by making them believe they are unarmed, when in fact they have a BUG. I could see that being an even bigger problem than if the officer was on high alert the entire time, like they should be.

devildog2067 · 11-20-2012, 06:00

What's a prospective? Is that like a prospectus?

Bruce M · 11-20-2012, 06:10

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Originally Posted by devildog2067

What's a prospective? Is that like a prospectus?

Actually I think a prospective is more like a perspectus...

devildog2067 · 11-20-2012, 06:27

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Originally Posted by Bruce M

Actually I think a prospective is more like a perspectus...

A perspectus influcks?

Bruce M · 11-20-2012, 09:22

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Originally Posted by Gallium

...dinosouric fart ...

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Originally Posted by Longtooths

Permission to use this please?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/nature/17953792

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Originally Posted by devildog2067

A perspectus influcks?

RicoGordo · 11-20-2012, 14:19

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Originally Posted by devildog2067

A perspectus influcks?

A perspectus influcks capacitor.

SGT278ACR · 11-20-2012, 14:31

A few folks in this thread have already said that "opinions are like .... everybody has one."... or something to that effect. With that said and this being GT... I'll do what everyone else here is doing and share mine.

Before I was permanently injured in 2010, I spent 7 years as a Police Officer and have made countless traffic stops. The author of the article has a pretty good process for the most part. The only part I really think might be extreme is taking the persons gun to the patrol car... unloading it... and then giving it back at the end of the process. However, I don't blame him. Law Enforcement Officers are just people too, just trying to do their job. As humans we all see things differently. Maybe for him, taking control of the weapon until the traffic stop is complete is within his personal understanding of officer safety.
The driver of the pulled over vehicle should extend a little common courtesy as well as long as the officer approaches with courtesy himself. True, most states do not require you to inform the officer if you're armed and have a carry permit, but they're going to know anyway when they run your driver license. So why not tell them "Hey, just FYI, when you run my license it will come back with a carry permit and I am currently armed/unarmed." Most professional LEO's will usually tell you thanks for letting them know and may ask where the firearm is. Plus it can establish a little bit of trust with the officer and he/she may not be so hard on you. Under those circumstances no one is violating any of your rights.
Remember, they may go a little overboard on officer safety on a traffic stop, but can you really blame them? They're just human beings too who may have a spouse and family they'd like to go home to at the end of the work day just like anyone else.
Plus, even the most seemingly passive situations can go bad in a split second. For example, in my town last year a Sheriff's Deputy happens upon what looks like a minor traffic accident (a fender bender). Before he even has a chance to exit his patrol car... one of the two people involved walks straight up to the patrol car and unloads aproximately 6 shots through the windshield and kills the deputy. Then turns the gun on himself and commits suicide. Turns out the guy intentionally ran his truck into his wife's car and proceeded to have domestic dispute with her. Incidentally, the Deputy left behind his wife and young son when the @$$#0Le killed him.
No, this situation had nothing to do with a routine traffic stop and a gun carry permit, it just goes to show that what seems to be the most harmless of situations can turn bad in a heartbeat. So, don't blame cops for seeming a bit extreme when it comes to officer safety. Remember, their job is to try to enforce the law and protect your butts... not kiss them. A lot of cops are pissy no matter what, but most won't get pissy with you unless you give them a reason.... like your attitude when pulled over maybe...

***HerrGlock*** · 11-20-2012, 09:22

I'm not positive but it's interesting that mikesbales, with a location of St Louis, is a username in a couple places, one of which is a Piranaha advocacy board.

http://www.piranha-fury.com/pfury/in...ns-on-piranha/

Take a look at post #7 in that thread:
Posted 10 December 2008 - 09:27 PM (#7) mikesbales

gjk5 · 11-20-2012, 09:29

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Originally Posted by HerrGlock

I'm not positive but it's interesting that mikesbales, with a location of St Louis, is a username in a couple places, one of which is a Piranaha advocacy board.

http://www.piranha-fury.com/pfury/in...ns-on-piranha/

Take a look at post #7 in that thread:
Posted 10 December 2008 - 09:27 PM (#7) mikesbales

Class act with a clear respect for authority........

gjk5 · 11-20-2012, 09:28

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“What if the officer doesn't ask about a weapon in the car, my state doesn't require that I tell him?”

I live in Missouri, and here –like in most states- you do NOT have to tell the officer that you have a weapon in the car unless he asks. That being said if I find out you have a CCW from dispatch or some other way I will not be very happy when I do ask you and find out that you are carrying a weapon. It is ALWAYS best to be straight forward about having a weapon.

Yeah, that guy can go to hell. If I do not have a duty to inform AND have not been asked then an officer has ZERO reason to get pissy about it.

My interactions with the PoPo have been uniformly pleasant, glad I have not run into this kind of jackass.

NMG26 · 11-20-2012, 09:33

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"live in Missouri, and here –like in most states- you do NOT have to tell the officer that you have a weapon in the car unless he asks. That being said if I find out you have a CCW from dispatch or some other way I will not be very happy when I do ask you and find out that you are carrying a weapon. It is ALWAYS best to be straight forward about having a weapon"

Interesting that LE does not really respect the law.
I'd say he is in the wrong job.

gwalchmai · 11-20-2012, 09:40

I wonder how hard it is for that guy to pull someone over from a Segway...