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Old 11-16-2012, 12:00   #1
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How EXACTLY did Hamas SEE this going?

Here's what I do not get: How EXACTLY did Hamas see this going? When the leadership sat around over glasses of tea and said, "Yeah, let's lob many hundreds of missiles randomly into Israeli residential neighborhoods because . . . " what was the next part of that sentence? Was it ". . . because the Israelis, ya know, might all just pack up and leave."? Was it ". . . because, you know those Israelis, they won't do jack to retaliate."? Was it ANY version of " . . . because ultimately raining down random missiles on Israel will get us a result we want and not, ya know, annihilated."?

Sure, predictably, Israel is being criticized by the usual suspects (Egypt, Russia, the BBC) for the nature of its response. But did the Hamas guys think "Yeah! That'll teach 'em. Those Israelis HATE to be the target of international criticism."?
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Old 11-16-2012, 12:16   #2
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Word.

I will say that some of the usual suspects have, for maybe the first time in recent memory, placed more blame on Hamas.

This kind of thing is literally irrational.
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Old 11-16-2012, 12:23   #3
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I think they want a more involved war where the rest of the Muslim world comes to their defense. It is the "we are the little guys being picked on by the big guys" syndrome.
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Old 11-16-2012, 14:54   #4
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I think they want a more involved war where the rest of the Muslim world comes to their defense.
what is the end game ?
if Israel is overwhelmed from all sides, will Israel give up and leave their home land ? - diaspora again x again ?
hell no !
the folks from all sides of Israel should think about this.
Israel can turn those folks home land into glass.

Golda, the lady prime minister in '73 had IDF air force pilots sitting in their warmed up jets loaded with nukes just in case they were about to be overwhemled.
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Old 11-18-2012, 16:14   #5
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I think they want a more involved war where the rest of the Muslim world comes to their defense.
Ya, I think they want Obama to demand co-operation on both sides. Translation Obama will demand Israel go back to the 1967 borders.
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Old 11-16-2012, 12:24   #6
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This kind of scene always amuses me. "Lets rain down missiles on random houses over the border." "Wait! What?! What the hell do you mean they're retaliating? They have NO justification for retaliation, we haven't done anything wrong!"
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Old 11-16-2012, 12:33   #7
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"How EXACTLY did Hamas SEE this going"


`They are to stupid to know how anything will end up....they only have an end game.

Isreal is not worried about what ignorant muslim terroist think or feel `anymore`...Isreal wants to survive...They are "learning" that appeasement and Political correctness (talking) with roaches Never works.......They need to get serious and get it done....enough of the BS terrorists rockets being fired at them indiscriminately....Time to get to work and take care of the whole problem and finish the job.
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Ever watch a World Cup soccer match between, say...Germany (powerhouse) and Moldova (notsomuch)?

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They figured the one would support them.'08.
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Old 11-16-2012, 12:55   #10
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What with the new Egyptian Prime Minister there visiting w/ Hamas leader whats his name for the day and all. They even went to a hospital and saw children who were cruelly maimed and/or killed by the Israeli counter offerings.

WHAT WERE THEY THINKING? (it's on cuz?)
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What with the new Egyptian Prime Minister there visiting w/ Hamas leader whats his name for the day and all. They even went to a hospital and saw children who were cruelly maimed and/or killed by the Israeli counter offerings.

WHAT WERE THEY THINKING? (it's on cuz?)
PHOTO: Hamas missile launch pad next to mosque, playground. Civilian factories, gas station also half a block from Fajr-5 firing site.

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They figured the one would support them.'08.
Yep. The muslims are slow learners.
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Old 11-16-2012, 12:57   #13
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Now that the US won't back Israel, what do they have to lose?
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Now that the US won't back Israel, what do they have to lose?
And to think that over 60 percent of US Jews voted for Obama again. Unbelievable.
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And to think that over 60 percent of US Jews voted for Obama again. Unbelievable.
Anyone but the goyum in their eyes is a-ok.
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Anyone but the goyum in their eyes is a-ok.
Goyim means Christian, what's your point?
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I think he meant 'Golem.'
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And to think that over 60 percent of US Jews voted for Obama again. Unbelievable.
Actually, it was 69 percent. http://www.haaretz.com/news/u-s-elec...emium-1.475889

It is tough to generalize, because you've got a wide range of people, from Orthodox to far left, but from most of the Jews I've known (mostly Chicagoland) they're socially liberal and fiscally conservative. They care about Israel, but are upset about the treatment of the Palestinians. Even the population in Israel is pretty split about what to do in Gaza.
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Now that the US won't back Israel, what do they have to lose?
Why do you think the US won't back Israel? Obama has made it clear that the US will. Our policy toward Israel Hasn't changed.
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Why do you think the US won't back Israel? Obama has made it clear that the US will. Our policy toward Israel Hasn't changed.
Obama has said what is politically expedient.

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Here's what I do not get: How EXACTLY did Hamas see this going? When the leadership sat around over glasses of tea and said, "Yeah, let's lob many hundreds of missiles randomly into Israeli residential neighborhoods because . . . " what was the next part of that sentence? Was it ". . . because the Israelis, ya know, might all just pack up and leave."? Was it ". . . because, you know those Israelis, they won't do jack to retaliate."? Was it ANY version of " . . . because ultimately raining down random missiles on Israel will get us a result we want and not, ya know, annihilated."?

Sure, predictably, Israel is being criticized by the usual suspects (Egypt, Russia, the BBC) for the nature of its response. But did the Hamas guys think "Yeah! That'll teach 'em. Those Israelis HATE to be the target of international criticism."?

How they see it going is that they provoke a reaction from the Israelies that can be used to draw other muslim countires into war against them, make things hard on the US, etc.
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How they see it going is that they provoke a reaction from the Israelies that can be used to draw other muslim countires into war against them, make things hard on the US, etc.
Likely true, Bren. Perhaps the only explanation that makes "sense."

But you have to wonder if they have noticed that . . .


. . . the Egyptian military is unlikely to let itself be broken in a new war with Israel, even if the Muslim Brotherhood "leaders" in Egypt were to say they should. (Especially since lost of senior Egyptian Army officers have spent the past 25 years or so harrying, arresting, torturing and disappearing MB leaders.)

. . . the Syrians are busy with a civil war.

. . . the Jordanians have been a US ally and de facto GWOT partner for years. (And more to the point REALLY don't want a new wave of Palestinian refugees.)

. . . Iraq has no meaningful army, let alone any cohesive political will.

. . . the Gulf states all seem to be too busy making money and building indoor ski resorts.

I suppose the idea might be to draw Iran in, but Iran is ALREADY in. Many (most?) of the recent spate of missiles are being launched by Islamic Jihad, essentially a client/proxy of Iran. Perhaps the idea is to distract the Israelis so they forget to bomb the centrifuges? Seems like a poor plan.
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Likely true, Bren. Perhaps the only explanation that makes "sense."

But you have to wonder if they have noticed that . . .


. . . the Egyptian military is unlikely to let itself be broken in a new war with Israel, even if the Muslim Brotherhood "leaders" in Egypt were to say they should. (Especially since lost of senior Egyptian Army officers have spent the past 25 years or so harrying, arresting, torturing and disappearing MB leaders.)

. . . the Syrians are busy with a civil war.

. . . the Jordanians have been a US ally and de facto GWOT partner for years. (And more to the point REALLY don't want a new wave of Palestinian refugees.)

. . . Iraq has no meaningful army, let alone any cohesive political will.

. . . the Gulf states all seem to be too busy making money and building indoor ski resorts.

I suppose the idea might be to draw Iran in, but Iran is ALREADY in. Many (most?) of the recent spate of missiles are being launched by Islamic Jihad, essentially a client/proxy of Iran. Perhaps the idea is to distract the Israelis so they forget to bomb the centrifuges? Seems like a poor plan.
I think these missiles are meant to take Iran and Syria off the world's headlines/attention for a while.

Let's see if Syria uses this opportunity to aggressively (and I mean aggressively) go after the rebels. And let's see if Iran uses this opportunity to do a slight-of-hand with their nuclear program. Maybe even crack down on some of their internal political foes/dissidents?

Or it's staged by the new Egyptian president (what's his name) to make himself appear as a peace maker. (In exchange, Hamas gets some sweet $$$ package).
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I suppose the idea might be to draw Iran in, but Iran is ALREADY in. Many (most?) of the recent spate of missiles are being launched by Islamic Jihad, essentially a client/proxy of Iran. Perhaps the idea is to distract the Israelis so they forget to bomb the centrifuges? Seems like a poor plan.
Iran is behind this.

http://edition.cnn.com/2012/11/16/wo...pt=hp_t3<br />

They want to draw Israel into a war with someone else. The are pretty sure Obama wont attack the nuke sights. Get Israel tied up long enough that they cant make the attacks in Iran. They are hoping to get Egypt/Syria drawn in on the Palestinian behalf.

Syria may also gain. One of the tactics of the govt in Mid east is to give the citizens an external enemy so they forget the internal problems. Some of the fighters against Syria may chose to join a war against Israel.

I think Hamas was promised a lot from Iran/Syria.
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Old 11-17-2012, 07:00   #25
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200 IDF Air Strikes so far... even took out the Hamas Govt Building.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-33816_16...kes-into-gaza/

IDF Reserves called up. Looks like everyone is dressed up for the ground war dancing to begin.

I think this is what Hamas wanted when they sent rockets to Jerusalem. I've never thought of Israel as a "turn the other cheek" kind of culture, rather "An eye for an eye, tooth for tooth and the payback is gonna be a... short and painful evolution" for those in front of them.

Just how large IS the Gaza strip again? 7 mi x 25 mi? Not much manuever room but certainly a target rich environment.
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