[Big Bird]

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...infantry+women

Summary: 2 women passed the screening physical requirements to enter the Marine Infantry Officer School. Both failed to complete the course due to injuries.

[BicycleDay43]

Called it lol.

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[AK_Stick]

Unfortunately, in the name of equality we will continue to send them, and eventually lower standards so that they pass.

[SMOKEin]

Originally Posted by AK_Stick

Unfortunately, in the name of equality we will continue to send them, and eventually lower standards so that they pass.

Exact thought that crossed mind.

[skew12]

Originally Posted by AK_Stick

Unfortunately, in the name of equality we will continue to send them, and eventually lower standards so that they pass.

Ahhhh this is the future of our military.



****.

[pizza_pablo]

Originally Posted by AK_Stick

Unfortunately, in the name of equality we will continue to send them, and eventually lower standards so that they pass.

Just like fighter pilots....

[AK_Stick]

Originally Posted by pizza_pablo

Just like fighter pilots....

Reading has never been one of your strong suites eh?

[pizza_pablo]

Originally Posted by AK_Stick

Reading has never been one of your strong suites eh?

JERK!
I didn't go thru the entire thread. Just threw in my 2 pennies and split.

[TK-421]

Sorry ladies, if your body can't handle the abuse, then you wouldn't be able to handle the abuse in the field. If you're not good enough to do the job, the job won't lower itself for you. If your job is to haul 100 pound sacks, the sacks aren't going to magically become 75 pound sacks just because you're a women. Either you can do it, or you can't. If you can do it, awesome, if you can't, you need to find something else to do.

[cowboywannabe]

Originally Posted by tk-421

sorry ladies, if your body can't handle the abuse, then you wouldn't be able to handle the abuse in the field. If you're not good enough to do the job, the job won't lower itself for you. If your job is to haul 100 pound sacks, the sacks aren't going to magically become 75 pound sacks just because you're a women. Either you can do it, or you can't. If you can do it, awesome, if you can't, you need to find something else to do.

obama will fix this for them.

[TK-421]

Originally Posted by cowboywannabe

obama will fix this for them.

And if Romney had been elected, he'd fix it too.

[tsmo1066]

"2" is hardly a valid statistical sampling to draw conclusions from.

I would also point out that the Israelis have had good success using female combat troops, to include a number of women in the Mossad's dreaded Kidon assassination and counter-terrorism detachments. Then, of course, there were the Russian female sniper and infiltration units in WWII.

Women may not have the upper body strength that most men have, and they may need some different physical standards as a result, but by-and-large the argument that women can't "cut it" in combat has been proven to be a myth so many times as to constitute an absurdity as an argument.

[AK_Stick]

No one is saying women are incapable of killing.

They're saying they're unfit for the infantry. A point that has been proven in blood again and again.

A Russian sniper in WW II, is hardly a valid comparison to an infantryman today.

[tsmo1066]

Originally Posted by AK_Stick

A Russian sniper in WW II, is hardly a valid comparison to an infantryman today.

How so? I guarantee that Russian snipers on the Eastern Front had to deal on a daily basis with conditions and risks that would give even the toughest modern Ranger or Marine pause.

They had to mule their own weapons and combat packs through deadly cold and extreme terrain, live on rations that would best be described as laughable and evade, stalk, kill and outsmart some of the best trained male infantry soldiers of the day while doing so.

And they were feared like angels of death by the Nazis they hunted.

And of course the IDF has been using females in their military, to include combat infantry units, for decades with great success.

[Detectorist]

Originally Posted by tsmo1066

"2" is hardly a valid statistical sampling to draw conclusions from.

I would also point out that the Israelis have had good success using female combat troops, to include a number of women in the Mossad's dreaded Kidon assassination and counter-terrorism detachments. Then, of course, there were the Russian female sniper and infiltration units in WWII.

Women may not have the upper body strength that most men have, and they may need some different physical standards as a result, but by-and-large the argument that women can't "cut it" in combat has been proven to be a myth so many times as to constitute an absurdity as an argument.

Show me the Israeli women who have actively participated in offensive combat operations. They are mostly on passive duty type positions like security and such.

[tsmo1066]

Originally Posted by Detectorist

Show me the Israeli women who have actively participated in offensive combat operations. They are mostly on passive duty type positions like security and such.

The Caracal Infantry Battallion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caracal_Battalion

[jame]

Originally Posted by tsmo1066

Women may not have the upper body strength that most men have, and they may need some different physical standards as a result, .......

So when does the ref blow the whistle for an official "time out" in the middle of real combat, to adjust for "different physical standards"?

[tsmo1066]

Originally Posted by jame

So when does the ref blow the whistle for an official "time out" in the middle of real combat, to adjust for "different physical standards"?

The key is "different", not "lesser" standards. Women have other physical traits such as overall better hand-eye coordination (important in shooting small arms) and higher general resistance to severe pain (important in all manner of military situations).

In modern combat, it isn't all about upper body strength.

[jame]

Originally Posted by tsmo1066

The key is "different", not "lesser" standards. Women have other physical traits such as overall better hand-eye coordination (important in shooting small arms) and much higher general resistance to pain (important in all manner of military situations).

In modern combat, it isn't all about upper body strength.

My question stands unanswered.

You said that "Women may not have the upper body strength that most men have, and they may need some different physical standards as a result,...."

So when, in combat, do you do that?

[FLIPPER 348]

Originally Posted by tsmo1066

In modern combat, it isn't all about upper body strength.

It sure as hell is.


When your leg gets blown off and you need to be carried out RFN to safety & MEDIVAC your 'buddy' better be up to the task.

[FLIPPER 348]

Originally Posted by tsmo1066

Women may not have the upper body strength that most men have, and they may need some different physical standards as a result,

absolutely not


The Army caved on this, hopefully the Marines will not.

[Brian Lee]

Originally Posted by TK-421

Sorry ladies, if your body can't handle the abuse, then you wouldn't be able to handle the abuse in the field. If you're not good enough to do the job, the job won't lower itself for you. If your job is to haul 100 pound sacks, the sacks aren't going to magically become 75 pound sacks just because you're a women. Either you can do it, or you can't. If you can do it, awesome, if you can't, you need to find something else to do.

This is exactly what would be said to any 120 pound man who cannot meet the requirements, so in the name of true equality, rather than "pretend" equality, I hope they never lower standards just so women can have (not do) a job more suited for a mans larger body. If we lower the standard for women, then there will surely be a flood of lawsuits from 130 pound men who were previously rejected for military service due to lack of size and strength.

There are better ways to be fair to women.

[FLIPPER 348]

Originally Posted by Big Bird

100% Failure Rate for 1st Round of Female Marine Infantry Recruits

Outstanding.


Women have no place in Combat Arms or cockpits.

[John Rambo]

Originally Posted by FLIPPER 348

Outstanding.


Women have no place in Combat Arms or cockpits.

Was that a cleverly disguised joke about how bad women drivers are?

[AK_Stick]

I know several **** hot female combat pilots, in both fixed wing fighters, CAS, and rotary wing gunships. As well as have had the distinct honor of going into combat with some great utility rotor wing female pilots.

I don't think they belong in the inf. but they can absolutely hack it behind a stick.