[triaxle]

Pulled over today for DOT check and when finished got on the subject of Glocks which they have G 37 in the Gap. The officer said they are testing G21 in 45acp right now . and he did not care for the old Beretta 40 cal they had . The officer was courteous .Every thing was good on my spot check.

[diamondd2]

Blah, blah, blah, who gives a crap what the PA state police are doing

[Henry's Dad]

Originally Posted by diamondd2

Blah, blah, blah, who gives a crap what the PA state police are doing

What makes you so bitter toward PSP? Some pending state charges you want to tell us about?

OP, thanks for the info. Nice to hear my state tax dollars are going toward sensible spending for a change (even if I am a G23 man myself).

[diamondd2]

Originally Posted by Henry's Dad

What makes you so bitter toward PSP? Some pending state charges you want to tell us about?

No.

Nothing toward the PSP in particular. I just cant stand that everytime some PD talks about switching calibers everyone wants to jump on the band wagon. LIke the PD is the final word on caliber. It's usually just because they got a new captain or cheif and they need to justify their job.

And come on. They are "testing" a G21 45acp? LIke the 21 or the 45acp has not been proven over an over already.

[Henry's Dad]

Originally Posted by diamondd2

[...] And come on. They are "testing" a G21 45acp? LIke the 21 or the 45acp has not been proven over an over already.

You make a very fair point, but I'm sure lawyers and politicians require the testing.

[4949shooter]

Originally Posted by diamondd2

No.

Nothing toward the PSP in particular. I just cant stand that everytime some PD talks about switching calibers everyone wants to jump on the band wagon. LIke the PD is the final word on caliber. It's usually just because they got a new captain or cheif and they need to justify their job.

And come on. They are "testing" a G21 45acp? LIke the 21 or the 45acp has not been proven over an over already.

It is not only about testing the weapon for function, reliability, etc. It is important for large police agencies to test the prospective weapons with the people who will be issued same weapons. For example, the strong shooters, the weak shooters, the males with large hands, the females with small hands, patrol units, investigative units, etc. The weapon has to be a "fit" for the people using it. Not to test the weapons in this manner would be irresponsible.

[dwhite53]

What model Beretta were they carrying in .40?

All the Best,
D. White

[Gallium]

Originally Posted by 4949shooter

It is not only about testing the weapon for function, reliability, etc. It is important for large police agencies to test the prospective weapons with the people who will be issued same weapons. For example, the strong shooters, the weak shooters, the males with large hands, the females with small hands, patrol units, investigative units, etc. The weapon has to be a "fit" for the people using it. Not to test the weapons in this manner would be irresponsible.

And to add, testing for fit in holsters with summer gear, winter gear, teams that serve other purposes outside of classic "road patrol" (ESU/Rescue/SWAT), testing with flashlights, testing for fit on a belt that already has/needs 5-8 other items there, testing with gloves, etc.

A study on a flat piece of paper is great, but most of us don't buy even the most mundane of products without some hands on time with the product. We check out furniture, cars, beds, gloves, eyeglasses, etc.

What says a dept that is telling it's officers about a critical piece of gear they may have to, and in many cases, will have to roll the fate of their lives on?


Would you (not you 4949) be cool with buying and using a parachute because another agency tested it extensively? NOT ME!

[Inebriated]

If they're going to switch to anything, why wouldn't they switch to .357 Sig? Better barrier penetration than .45, if I remember right. And more rounds.

Originally Posted by diamondd2

No.

Nothing toward the PSP in particular. I just cant stand that everytime some PD talks about switching calibers everyone wants to jump on the band wagon. LIke the PD is the final word on caliber. It's usually just because they got a new captain or cheif and they need to justify their job.

And come on. They are "testing" a G21 45acp? LIke the 21 or the 45acp has not been proven over an over already.

And I can't stand when people who know they'll just complain about the subject, still go in the thread.

[ColdSteelNail]

Originally Posted by diamondd2

Blah, blah, blah, who gives a crap what the PA state police are doing

Did someone pee in your cornflakes this morning?

[Paul53]

Originally Posted by diamondd2

Blah, blah, blah, who gives a crap what the PA state police are doing

I do.

[ZO6Vettever]

Originally Posted by diamondd2

Blah, blah, blah, who gives a crap what the PA state police are doing

Originally Posted by BuckyP

I do.

I do too.

[tuica]

Many of us on these gun related sites have something of an interest in the weapons carried by police and other professional agencies - right?

Originally Posted by diamondd2

Blah, blah, blah, who gives a crap what the PA state police are doing

[DFin]

A PSP Trooper told me he could not get the dept to give him any extra .45 GAP ammo. He said that when they carried .40 cal. Beretta's he could usually get an extra box or two of ammo. I'm not sure how much GAP ammo they are issued ie: a 50 round box or just the 31 rounds carried on their person.

[SJ 40]

Originally Posted by DFin

A PSP Trooper told me he could not get the dept to give him any extra .45 GAP ammo. He said that when they carried .40 cal. Beretta's he could usually get an extra box or two of ammo. I'm not sure how much GAP ammo they are issued ie: a 50 round box or just the 31 rounds carried on their person.

Ammunition cost,just maybe the reason for the switch. SJ 40

[4949shooter]

Interesting..

[BuckyP]

Originally Posted by diamondd2

Blah, blah, blah, who gives a crap what the PA state police are doing

I do.


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[Police305]

Here in miami, most officers carry G21's or G22's.

[ca survivor]

Originally Posted by Police305

Here in miami, most officers carry G21's or G22's.

what department uses the G21s ? or is individual officer choice ? thanks

[houseflipper]

I will phone a friend who is on the job

[AKR]

I just checked ammo prices on SGAmmo.com, one of my sources with good prices. I can't do direct comparisons due to differences in the stock for GAP and ACP, but I can't really see any significant differences in the ammo prices. In some cases, you could say the .45 ACP costs more.

[cowboy1964]

Originally Posted by AKR

In some cases, you could say the .45 ACP costs more.

You could also say there are a lot more choices.

[cowboywannabe]

how many suppliers for gap ammo and how many suppliers for acp ammo?

[Bruce M]

Yes it is interesting to some of us - thanks for posting. Glad the stop went well.

[bac1023]

Thanks for the info.