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Old 11-08-2012, 21:13   #1
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'At Will' employment, what are your thoughts?

I know it has it's benefits like being able to quit. But do you think that it should be revised so that employers can't terminate without reason or warning?

With the way the economy is, I think employees should at least be given a verbal and/or written warning before being terminated and have the chance to 'fix' whatever the issue may be.

Seems there's so much talk about getting people back to work and creating job but what about keeping people at work?
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Old 11-08-2012, 21:15   #2
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An employer should be able to terminate an employee at will. And honestly I think if it is a truly privately owned company then they should be able to do so for ANY reason they want with NO notice.
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Old 11-09-2012, 11:12   #3
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No.

An employer should be able to terminate an employee at will. And honestly I think if it is a truly privately owned company then they should be able to do so for ANY reason they want with NO notice.
Absolutely.
I've never understood those who proclaim that an employer "can't terminate you without good reason".

WTH? If I own a private business I should be able to hire you to give you a try, then terminate you if I decide I just don't want you around because I don't like your attitude, or fire you because of the way your momma dresses you for work.
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Old 11-12-2012, 14:12   #4
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No.

An employer should be able to terminate an employee at will. And honestly I think if it is a truly privately owned company then they should be able to do so for ANY reason they want with NO notice.
There doing back here, and with out any reason, Most have 20 years or more. And its not that they did some thing wrong, Just Telling them there done.I think they want all part time,Saves them money, Iam talking about steubenville, ohio.
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Old 11-12-2012, 14:19   #5
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I think they want all part time,Saves them money
And what's wrong with that?

Employers pay employees to work. Employees get paid in such a way to maximize value for the company. Jobs are not charity. If it's cheaper for an employer to pay two part-time employees than to have a full-time employee with benefits, then that's what the employer will do.

If one of those employees wants to have a full-time job rather than a part-time job, then they need to demonstrate to the employer that they generate more value by being full-time than the additional cost of providing benefits. It's harder to do with some kinds of jobs than with others, but that's how the world works.

When jobs are more plentiful than employees, potential employees can use their scarcity power to negotiate a better deal. When potential employees are more plentiful than jobs, the power balance goes the other way.
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Old 11-12-2012, 14:34   #6
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And what's wrong with that?

Employers pay employees to work. Employees get paid in such a way to maximize value for the company. Jobs are not charity. If it's cheaper for an employer to pay two part-time employees than to have a full-time employee with benefits, then that's what the employer will do.

If one of those employees wants to have a full-time job rather than a part-time job, then they need to demonstrate to the employer that they generate more value by being full-time than the additional cost of providing benefits. It's harder to do with some kinds of jobs than with others, but that's how the world works.

When jobs are more plentiful than employees, potential employees can use their scarcity power to negotiate a better deal. When potential employees are more plentiful than jobs, the power balance goes the other way.
Your right, But they should give them a warning that there job is gone.
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Old 11-08-2012, 21:16   #7
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What few people realize is that "at will" has its limitations.
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Old 11-08-2012, 21:20   #8
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"At will" works fine here.

Employees and employers both have the right to terminate a contract of employment for any reason.

Why would it be a problem?
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Old 11-08-2012, 21:34   #9
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"At will" works fine here.

Employees and employers both have the right to terminate a contract of employment for any reason.

Why would it be a problem?
Because it's a fair deal and some people just want to have the deck stacked in their favor.

As if it isn't already hard enough to replace people hindering or flat out preventing the success of the business, someone comes along and tries to make companies more wary of hiring people.

If the OP got what he wanted and shafted businesses like that, you'd see an immediate decline in job openings being filled, more stringent background checks, and a very heavy burden placed on job hunters to convince a business to put them on the payroll.

Think it's hard for people to find work now?

It really isn't, honestly, but make this happen and good luck getting a new job.
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Old 11-08-2012, 21:31   #10
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What few people realize is that "at will" has its limitations.
In many states, those limitations are few and narrow.
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In many states, those limitations are few and narrow.
Where there is a lawyer, there is a way.
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Old 11-09-2012, 19:51   #12
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What few people realize is that "at will" has its limitations.
'At Will' can also mean I have no work for you....
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Old 11-08-2012, 21:18   #13
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No.

An employer should be able to terminate an employee at will. And honestly I think if it is a truly privately owned company then they should be able to do so for ANY reason they want with NO notice.
I agree completely. Unfortunately, unions and lawsuits have made it so that employers almost need a court order to fire someone. That keeps a lot of people in jobs they shouldn't be doing.
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Old 11-09-2012, 04:44   #14
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I agree completely. Unfortunately, unions and lawsuits have made it so that employers almost need a court order to fire someone. That keeps a lot of people in jobs they shouldn't be doing.
You couldn't be more wrong. As an IBEW electrician, I can be laid off at any time for any reason whatsoever. There is no seniority, no review, no federal or state law to comply with, nothing. We have less "rights" than any other working personnel in the country. We also have minimum training requirements, mandatory drug testing, and at least a two year wait for another job if layoff occurs. The negative "union" nonsense people are so willing to believe here is never lacking.
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Old 11-09-2012, 04:54   #15
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I agree completely. Unfortunately, unions and lawsuits have made it so that employers almost need a court order to fire someone. That keeps a lot of people in jobs they shouldn't be doing.
There are problems in employment law, but your assertion is beyond exaggeration and even beyond hyperbole.

Even firing a government worker is not this difficult.
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Old 11-13-2012, 09:40   #16
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I agree completely. Unfortunately, unions and lawsuits have made it so that employers almost need a court order to fire someone. That keeps a lot of people in jobs they shouldn't be doing.
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Old 11-08-2012, 21:26   #17
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Texas is an "at will" state, and rarely are people fired for no real reason as many fear when discussing this topic. Most companies have policies that go beyond what the state requires, and it is largely a non-issue. It's a good example of competition in the marketplace. Nobody wants to work for a company that mistreats its employees, so to attract and retain quality workers companies have established a culture of "we treat our people great" and it has benefitted workers. Personally I can tell you that the company I work for requires incredibly stupid behavior to be fired.
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Old 11-08-2012, 21:29   #18
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I agree completely. Unfortunately, unions and lawsuits have made it so that employers almost need a court order to fire someone. That keeps a lot of people in jobs they shouldn't be doing.
Maybe where you are. I was just fired recently with no reason and had no prior warnings.
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Maybe where you are. I was just fired recently with no reason and had no prior warnings.
Sorry to hear about this, but welcome to the real world. BTDT.
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Maybe where you are. I was just fired recently with no reason and had no prior warnings.
Fired or laid off?

No offense but why would they fire you for no reason? What did they gain?
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The better employees thrive under at-will conditions.
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Maybe where you are. I was just fired recently with no reason and had no prior warnings.
So they gave you no reason at all when you were let go? I find that hard to believe. What happened when you went and filed for unemployment? If they disputed it, then they will have to tell why they terminated you. Most employers, they invest enough time/effort in training new employees, they don't just can someone for no reason.

My guess is, you know why you were terminated..

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"AT Will" is code language for screw the employee, don't like what the boss dictates - take a hike.
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Old 11-08-2012, 21:34   #23
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"At Will" is actually code language for "competition".

Good employees are in demand, so employers do not want the reputation of being a haphazard workplace that's not a stable workplace.

It creates good places to work. It also creates good employees.
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Old 11-11-2012, 13:24   #24
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Exactly, some of us get trapped into working for ass holes. Stastics show, people like their jobs, they dislike the people who run it.
I can only speak for myself, your employer is at will also. I do not agree with at will employement




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Old 11-11-2012, 14:03   #25
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Exactly, some of us get trapped into working for ass holes. Stastics show, people like their jobs, they dislike the people who run it.
I can only speak for myself, your employer is at will also. I do not agree with at will employement
No owes you a job or a living.

If you do not like your employment, make other arrangements. Go back to school, learn new skills, better yourself.

You aren't trapped unless you are unwilling to make the changes necessary to better your situation.
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