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Old 10-28-2012, 00:12   #1
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Interesting, but it just goes to show that there is a range of views, and not just two groups...


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Old 10-28-2012, 00:20   #2
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Interesting, but it just goes to show that there is a range of views, and not just two groups...


http://www.theliberalgunclub.com/
I have met lots of liberals who are gun people. They then go to the polls and vote for the very people who say they want to ban guns. Doesnt make a whole lot of sense to me.
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Old 10-28-2012, 00:32   #3
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I have met lots of liberals who are gun people. They then go to the polls and vote for the very people who say they want to ban guns. Doesnt make a whole lot of sense to me.
Yup. Being a gun owner and voting democrap is like being jewish and being a member of the Nazi party. You are basically voting for your own destruction.
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Old 10-28-2012, 00:53   #4
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Yup. Being a gun owner and voting democrap is like being jewish and being a member of the Nazi party. You are basically voting for your own destruction.
What you and ilgunguygt don't understand is that there are more issues than just firearms.
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Old 10-28-2012, 09:52   #5
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What you and ilgunguygt don't understand is that there are more issues than just firearms.
Wow, you are so smart that you are able to read my mind? I vote conservative because of those issues too. What yopu dont realize is that you cant tell everything about someone from a post on the internet.

Small govt, fiscal conservative, supports MJ legalixation, who could care less about gay marriage, religion, or any of that crap. Its not a govts job to legislate morals. I will not vote for an anti-gun pol though, never. No matter what his stance on other issues.
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Old 10-28-2012, 12:02   #6
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I vote conservative because of those issues too.

I will not vote for an anti-gun pol though, never. No matter what his stance on other issues.
Contradictory statements contradict.

Other issues matter, unless they don't?



I have never in my life seen a perfect candidate. I have never seen a candidate that I agree with down the line.

Yes, guns are a HUGE issue for me, and I have voted on that single issue. Last Gubernatorial election in IL, I voted for the R candidate based solely on this issue.

But in general, what people SHOULD look at is (for example):

I have these 5 issues I care about
This candidate agrees with me on 3, disagrees on 2
This other guy agrees with me on 2, disagrees on 3

Now, unless you're a single-issue voter, which candidate would you chose?
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Old 10-28-2012, 12:04   #7
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Wow, you are so smart that you are able to read my mind? I vote conservative because of those issues too. What yopu dont realize is that you cant tell everything about someone from a post on the internet.

Small govt, fiscal conservative, supports MJ legalixation, who could care less about gay marriage, religion, or any of that crap. Its not a govts job to legislate morals. I will not vote for an anti-gun pol though, never. No matter what his stance on other issues.
I can read your posts and tell that you dismiss someone who is pro-gun but weighs that with the other issues and decides that the overall stance of a candidate outweighs the candidate's anti-gun stance.

If you have ever supported a pol who was pro-gun but anti-MJ legalization, would it be reasonable for someone to say that your vote didn't make sense because you voted for a pol who didn't share you view on MJ?
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Old 10-28-2012, 02:16   #8
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I have met lots of liberals who are gun people. They then go to the polls and vote for the very people who say they want to ban guns. Doesnt make a whole lot of sense to me.
You got that right. They are not "pro-gun" when they support anti-gun politicians.
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Old 10-28-2012, 06:53   #9
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I have met lots of liberals who are gun people. They then go to the polls and vote for the very people who say they want to ban guns. Doesnt make a whole lot of sense to me.
The occasional liberal gun owner is a person who has a gun or two, but wouldn't be bothered much by giving them up. They vote based on gun control like I vote based on the capital gains tax (I don't own stock).
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Old 10-28-2012, 08:50   #10
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I have met lots of liberals who are gun people. They then go to the polls and vote for the very people who say they want to ban guns. Doesnt make a whole lot of sense to me.
See, this is the conundrum I've never understood. You're a liberal gun enthusiast, but then you're perfectly comfortable voting people into power who want to ban guns and everything to do with them?

A wise person once wrote, "A contradiction cannot exist in reality. Not in part, nor in whole."
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See, this is the conundrum I've never understood. You're a liberal gun enthusiast, but then you're perfectly comfortable voting people into power who want to ban guns and everything to do with them?

A wise person once wrote, "A contradiction cannot exist in reality. Not in part, nor in whole."
It has been mentioned more than once that there are many issues of importance. Only some people are single-issue voters. Why can you not understand that?
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It has been mentioned more than once that there are many issues of importance. Only some people are single-issue voters. Why can you not understand that?
Why can you not understand that it's a contradiction?
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A wise person once wrote, "A contradiction cannot exist in reality. Not in part, nor in whole."
Great quote! I'm sure a few here will recognize it.
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Great quote! I'm sure a few here will recognize it.
Always nice to find a few similar souls around...i smiled when i saw the quote
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I have met lots of liberals who are gun people. They then go to the polls and vote for the very people who say they want to ban guns. Doesnt make a whole lot of sense to me.

Sure it does. They weigh all of the options and decided that gun rights aren't as important as their other views. That they don't realize that losing gun rights will be the start of losing everything else doesn't occur to them because you don't get real knowledge from fancy schoolin'

I myself would vote straight democrat if they jumped on the pro gun bandwagon and really meant it. But they won't, because they're stupid, and they wouldn't, because they lie.
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I have met lots of liberals who are gun people. They then go to the polls and vote for the very people who say they want to ban guns. Doesnt make a whole lot of sense to me.
I'm pro choice. You want me to go vote for obama, right?
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I'm pro choice. You want me to go vote for obama, right?
Where did I say that Frank? Just point that out. If thats an issue for you that decides your vote then yes, you should.

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Where did I say that Frank? Just point that out. If thats an issue for you that decides your vote then yes, you should.

Dont try to put words in peoples mouth
You said you don't understand how a pro-gun person could vote for dems. Same dilemma.
I also support gay marriage. Marijuana legalization.
I call myself a libertarian. But I would expect democrats would call me a traitor for not voting for Obama based on the subjects i listed.
If republicans were conservatives instead of being the morality police there would be no split.
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You said you don't understand how a pro-gun person could vote for dems. Same dilemma.
I also support gay marriage. Marijuana legalization.
I call myself a libertarian. But I would expect democrats would call me a traitor for not voting for Obama based on the subjects i listed.
If republicans were conservatives instead of being the morality police there would be no split.
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You said you don't understand how a pro-gun person could vote for dems. Same dilemma.
I also support gay marriage. Marijuana legalization.
I call myself a libertarian. But I would expect democrats would call me a traitor for not voting for Obama based on the subjects i listed.
If republicans were conservatives instead of being the morality police there would be no split.
And I said all that same stuff right here, in this thread. I think I even used the phrase "legislating morality." So why single my post and put that? I was saying the exact opposite. My posting was about prioritizing your beliefs. We cant vote for all of our beliefs so we have to pick the ones that matter the most. A person that suppoirts gun rights as a primary belief cannot vote democrat and support those rights.
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I have met lots of liberals who are gun people. They then go to the polls and vote for the very people who say they want to ban guns. Doesnt make a whole lot of sense to me.
^^^ this in SPADES...you cant be pro gun and vote for the same as***les that want to take them from you..its not possible..you either like guns and want to keep them and vote for people that will let you do that or you hate them and vote for the guys that want to ban them there is no in between IMO.
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^^^ this in SPADES...you cant be pro gun and vote for the same as***les that want to take them from you..its not possible..you either like guns and want to keep them and vote for people that will let you do that or you hate them and vote for the guys that want to ban them there is no in between IMO.
Of course you can. As others have pointed out, not everybody is a single-issue gun rights voter. As unsavory as some may find it, one can be pro gun, but have that outweighed by other issues they care about.

Not everybody neatly aligns with the platform of one party. If a woman is pro choice, but votes Republican, I don't see that anybody has the right to tell her that's she's not really pro choice.

I am pro choice, support gay rights, want religion out of government, but I'm also fiscally conservative, want a smaller government, and want to maintain my gun rights. Obviously I have to compromise on multiple issues in order to vote for one of the Big 2 parties, but that doesn't mean that I don't care about the other issues.

For this election I'm voting Romney as the not-Obama candidate, but it really is a matter of from which bowl of poo you wish to eat.

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Of course you can. As others have pointed out, not everybody is a single-issue gun rights voter. As unsavory as some may find it, one can be pro gun, but have that outweighed by other issues they care about.

Not everybody neatly aligns with the platform of one party. If a woman is pro choice, but votes Republican, I don't see that anybody has the right to tell her that's she's not really pro choice.

I am pro choice, support gay rights, want religion out of government, but I'm also fiscally conservative, want a smaller government, and want to maintain my gun rights. Obviously I have to compromise on multiple issues in order to vote for one of the Big 2 parties, but that doesn't mean that I don't care about the other issues.

For this election I'm voting Romney as the not-Obama candidate, but it really is a matter of from which bowl of poo you wish to eat.

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Impossible...everybody knows only Republicans can be pro-gun and only Democrats can be pro-choice.

Oh, wait...I'm both, so where does that leave me?

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