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Old 10-11-2012, 17:42   #1
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Creepy; drive by the site of a Japanese internment camp every day.

I was listening to a local radio talk show and one of the hosts was talking about he had never known about the existence of Japanese internment camps during WWII.

The other host said that there were a couple right here in AZ and one of them was in a town I drive through every day on my way to work in Phoenix, AZ.

I googled the camp and discovered that the Circle K gas station I filled up at this morning was where the camp once was...
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Old 10-11-2012, 17:48   #2
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The Heart Mountain Relocation Center is about forty minutes from my house. Until it closed in 1946!, it was Wyoming's third largest city. HH
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Old 10-11-2012, 18:11   #3
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I drive by Camp Sumter several times a year. It doesn't bother me.
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Old 10-11-2012, 18:09   #4
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One of the students I took a study abroad to Japan with. His Grandparents spent the war in a internment camp

When they got to the camp they were not allowed to speak Japanese. His wife was sobbing not knowing where they were and just wanting to go back home. So as he tried to calm her down a bunch of soldiers dragged him out of the line and beat him in front of his wife and newborn and everyone else there and that was the last day for the rest of his life his grandfather ever spoke Japanese again

That is also the only story that his grandfather told him of their internment.

People assume that the camps wasn't that bad because it wasn't a death camp but I think it's because we as Americans want to hold ourselves to the moral high ground that everything we did as a nation was right and sometimes that makes us blind to our mistakes
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Old 10-11-2012, 19:04   #5
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People assume that the camps wasn't that bad because it wasn't a death camp but I think it's because we as Americans want to hold ourselves to the moral high ground that everything we did as a nation was right and sometimes that makes us blind to our mistakes


It was not a mistake however, far from it.
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It was not a mistake however, far from it.
Are you saying that forcing thousands of American citizens to live in Interment camps, many of whom lost all their property, was not a mistake?
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Are you saying that forcing thousands of American citizens to live in Interment camps, many of whom lost all their property, was not a mistake?
Yes, I am. It was war.


There was plenty of enemy activity on the west coast. Read and learn.



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Old 10-11-2012, 19:28   #8
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Yes, I am. It was war.


There was plenty of enemy activity on the west coast. Read and learn.

And I Was There : Breaking the Secrets - Pearl Harbor and Midway: Rear Admiral Edwin T. Layton: 9781568523477: Amazon.com: Books
Sounds like that books is about intelligence from Japanese military intercepts and diplomatic channels. None of which points to Japanese Americans farmers in Oregon helping the Japanese military
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Old 10-11-2012, 22:48   #9
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Yes, I am. It was war.
I wore the uniform of our great nation. I was born there. I plan to die there (I'm in Ireland today, is why I write "there" rather than "here").

If the government came to lock me and my family up and confiscated our property because I have yellow skin and slanty eyes, I would shoot whoever came for me. I'd like to think I'd do the same if they came for black people or brown people or white people or anyone else.

If I were still in uniform I'd refuse to carry out the order.

There are things that make America great, and "innocent until proven guilty" is one of the most important. Locking up American citizens because you think they *might* commit a crime is pretty much the most evil thing we have done in the last hundred years or so.

The fact that thousands of those citizens volunteered to serve in the Army out of those camps, knowing that their families were still locked up back home, and the fact that the 442 RCT was so highly decorated tells me that those men were better men than I and better Americans than you.
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Old 10-11-2012, 18:13   #10
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Not our finest hour.
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Old 10-11-2012, 18:33   #11
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Our county Jail here in Spokane housed some German US Citizens during the War. It's not creepy at all.

Believe we had some Italians over in Montana in camps too.
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Old 10-15-2012, 18:53   #12
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Not our finest hour.
Well put. We didn't exactly toss the Italian and German, Americans in internment camps.
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I used to date a girl who's Mother and Grandparents were in an internment camp in California . I heard stories about their experience . Life was tough but nobody beat them or physically abused them in any way .
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Old 10-12-2012, 22:34   #15
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America the not so beautiful.
White Guilt got you down?
You could have been on the Arizona and spent the last hours of your life beating on the hull as the fuel laced water rose.
I'm a big F'ing fan of premptive strikes against folks who decide to do us harm.
As happy as those folks were to crash a plane, noticed any japanese flying jets in to the World Trade Center lately?
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Old 10-12-2012, 23:13   #16
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White Guilt got you down?
You could have been on the Arizona and spent the last hours of your life beating on the hull as the fuel laced water rose.
I'm a big F'ing fan of premptive strikes against folks who decide to do us harm.
As happy as those folks were to crash a plane, noticed any japanese flying jets in to the World Trade Center lately?
Looks like we have another one who just can't grasp the point.
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White Guilt got you down?
You could have been on the Arizona and spent the last hours of your life beating on the hull as the fuel laced water rose.
I'm a big F'ing fan of premptive strikes against folks who decide to do us harm.
As happy as those folks were to crash a plane, noticed any japanese flying jets in to the World Trade Center lately?
We detained US citizens who were supposed to be protected by our constitution. Not Japanese soldiers.

It's easy to justify when it's not your people though? oh wait, they were your people, they were AMERICANS.
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We detained US citizens who were supposed to be protected by our constitution. Not Japanese soldiers.

It's easy to justify when it's not your people though? oh wait, they were your people, they were AMERICANS.
Based upon the times, how long would it have taken to check the backgrounds of all of those people?
It may not have been nice, it may not have been legal even, but based upon the context and technology of the times it was expediant.
We sit back all warm and comfortable today because we had Men in Government willing to make hard decisions based upon a War and a premptive strike.
Do I feel bad that it happened, I feel bad it had to happen.
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It was legal, it went before the SCOTUS and the SCOTUS ruled it Constitutional.

in large part because the action was based on the Alien and sedition laws passed by the Founding Fathers in 1798. laws that were never struck down by any court.
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A lot of guilt in this thread....

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A lot of guilt in this thread....
The whole world should feel guilty. It was an ugly time.
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The whole world should feel guilty. It was an ugly time.
You're right. Where do I report to apologize?
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My grandfather served as a music teacher in a German interment camp in Nebraska.

Two friends, now deceased, were interned in a camp for Japanese Americans. Their family lost their farm in Colorado. They became well educated, one serving as Chief Medical Officer and Coroner in Denver. Wonderful people.

While most internments were terribly unjust, I think it's important to see the internments in light of the threat at the time. I can envision a scenario where in a future war, internment or mass deportation may be reasonable.
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Old 10-11-2012, 19:07   #24
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The whole world should feel guilty. It was an ugly time.
Really now.
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The whole world should feel guilty. It was an ugly time.
Precisely! It was called wartime and we were in a death struggle against a level of evil the world had seen very few times before.

I don't have any guilt unless we misallocated resources used for the camps that could have been used more effectively in the war effort.

My late father on an engineering trip to West Germany had hosts who served in LAH or maybe Totenkopf. After the tours of the day were over they'd all end up at the beer hall . My old man was no slouch but these guys could knock'em back as well as anybody.

Once they got into their cups and got a good buzz on, they would remember, and the only guilt they had over the war was that they LOST!
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