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Old 10-10-2012, 09:11   #1
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19 or 17 which 9

I have always been drawn to the 19 because of the size. Is the 17 that much more capable. I have heard a lot of people say the 17 is just easyer to shoot good groups with. I have small hands and I'm 5-3" 140lbs so trying to carry a full size gun is hard enuff. Which is not by primary resone for this gun I have a Kahr cm9 for EDC. So the glock will be for home defense, pistol classes that I want to take and range and most of all more fire power then the little cm9. So if you where to only get on would it be the 17 or 19.
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Old 10-10-2012, 09:36   #2
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I'll share my own G-19 experiences with you: It does take awhile longer to get used to, 'being deadly' with a compact frame Glock; BUT, it can be done; AND, once you learn how, a G-19 is a very enjoyable pistol to both shoot and carry. I love mine! The only caveat I'll offer is for you to prepare yourself for extraction/ejection problems - Problems which, hopefully, are ultimately going to be solvable.

This being said, when they work and when you can trust them, either a G-17, or a G-19 is a great pistol. Given a choice I'd go with the G-19. (I DID go with a G-19. Now I get to spend more money on it trying to make it work a full 100%!)
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Old 10-10-2012, 10:01   #3
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Personally I prefer the G17, I have shot both of them and find the G17 is more accurate and not that big of a problem to carry...
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Old 10-10-2012, 10:22   #4
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If you have a EDC, then get the G-17-IMHO.
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Old 10-10-2012, 10:38   #5
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Both!

I prefer the Glock 19's size for carry though, and the frame size is just about perfect. Go to a store and grip one, see if you feel the same. If so, buy some G17 magazines for your 19 and have the best of both worlds!
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Old 10-10-2012, 11:02   #6
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I have good size hands, but love carrying my 19.
I couldn't decide either. I wanted a full size 9 for
my own reasons, but really liked the way the 19 carried.
I was lucky enough to finally have one of each.
My wife thought she wanted a 26 until she shot my 19.
Now she has my 19 and I have a 26, which I like also, but
not as much as the 19.
The 17 is a fine full size duty gun. Mine rides in my vehicle,
or goes to the range. My, "Wife's" 19, is the one I carry,
it just feels right, and I'm 6' and 220lbs.
It's a personal choice and either one is a fine gun, but I
bought my 19 first.
My thoughts in getting the 19. I'm not going to target shoot, that would be the 34. Sight radius and weight not that much
difference, accuracy and slight loss of velocity, negligible at
the ranges I will be using it for. Good grip, all my fingers fit, not as full as the 17, but my little finger doesn't hang like on the 26. 15 vs. 17 rounds, I'm not going into battle and if I can't get out of trouble with 15 rounds, I'm in serious trouble, plus I could always carry an extra G17 mag. if needed.
Good luck on your choice.
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Old 10-10-2012, 10:40   #7
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I was looking for a 19 but ended up finding a great deal on a FDE 17 locally. You shouldn't have a problem carrying a 19, I only carry my 17 but I'm 6-1. So I guess if you really don't want to carry it get the 17, I'm guessing if you get the 19 it will become your carry piece. Or do what I did and go with whatever good deal shows up first.
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Old 10-10-2012, 10:44   #8
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Old 10-10-2012, 11:30   #9
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I have small hands and I'm 5-3" 140lbs
You answered your own question.

The grip of the G19 is more than adequate, and the G17 would offer no advantage to you.
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Old 10-10-2012, 11:37   #10
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It's a personal thing. In the IPSC circle, which attracts fantastic shooters, you see far more G17s than G19s, but there is no hard, fast rule. IMO the G17's size is not much a penalty for concealment and convenience of carry compared to the benefit of having a larger sight radius and a more generous arsepart than the G19, but that's just me. YMMV.
Have owned and carried both - two marvelous guns that I would be happy to return to given the circs.
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Old 10-10-2012, 11:39   #11
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g17 all day. g19 is the jack of all trades and the master of none
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Old 10-10-2012, 12:24   #12
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I'd go for the 17 if it will not be your EDC. To me, the G17 is the quintessential Glock. Its proportions and shootability are second to none. The grip, to me, actually feels smaller than the G19. The 17 just feels so much more comfortable in my hand and I have fairly small hands too.

Not that I would not like to own a G19. The Gen4 19 is on my short list of guns to buy.
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Old 10-10-2012, 12:28   #13
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The only benefit to the G19 over the G17 is concealabiliy, IMO.

Some claim that the G19 grip is smaller, which it is in height. However, if you have smaller hands, in some respect the G17 has a smaller feel since the widest (front to back) part of the grip (the "hump") is below the hand, not in the center of it.

I've had two G19s and sold them both, because they just didn't feel right to me. Love the feel of the full size frame though. YMMV.
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Old 10-10-2012, 15:49   #14
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The only benefit to the G19 over the G17 is concealabiliy, IMO.
I would tend to agree with this. I love the feel of my G17 but my 19 is just a bit easier to conceal for me. If not for that, it would be the G17 only. I love my G17 and I do carry it but the 19 is just a bit easier where I live...it's always warm, lighter clothes, etc.
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Old 10-10-2012, 15:06   #15
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I've a Glock 19 but I shoot better with the Glock 26. I love my G19 Gen 3, however. I went nutty today and put a downstroke on a new Glock 17. Gen 3, of course.

At $449, how could I have resisted that?
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Old 10-10-2012, 15:42   #16
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This isn't directed towards anybody in this thread, but I just have to get something off my chest. It's the "what shoots the best groups" thing in relation to a carry gun. The following pertains to civilian carry only:

1) A civilian gunfight is going to be a close range thing. The traditional SD seven yard distance is considered "close" compared to the 10 and 15 yard settings. You are more likely to have a civilian encounter at seven FEET than seven yards. If you can't do a fist sized group at seven feet or even five yards with a G19 you have a bigger problem than your gun selection.

2) On the range it is always satisfying to be able to shoot 2" groups at 7 or 10 yards. However, that is not necessary for SD use. In a defensive encounter both you and the perp are likely to be moving in some fashion. The 2" group is nice on cardboard but meaningless when all the particpants are moving. Kinda like headshots - great for executions but hard to do on a non-stationary target (aka human).

3) An accurate handgun is just plain fun, but you need to keep a perspective. My Wilson will do 1 1/2" at 25 yards. So what? A WWII GI 1911 will do 6-8" at the same distance. Take five yards, a relatively long distance for SD. The GI 1911 gives you a 1.6" group at that distance. In other words - it's usually the shooter and not the gun.

4) In spite of the above, I simply like big guns although I'm not a big guy. I carry daily and use either a Sig P226 or a G34. Both are in a Sparks VM-2 and conceal well and comfortably. I'm under no illusion, however, that I'm going to be any "safer" than carrying a smaller gun.

5) When for reasons of attire a smaller gun is needed, the smallest I will carry is my Sig P239 .40. Thats my personal limit on smaller size guns. Having said that, some people's lifestyle dictates an even smaller gun. Still better than having nothing though.

Sometimes this stuff reminds me of my USAF days when I was in tech school. A local radio station gave time checks corrected to "one thousandth of a second". Then they would give a one second tone to indicate the designated time.
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Old 10-10-2012, 15:54   #17
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You need to hold both in your hand and see how they feel. The 19 grip is not just a shorter 17. The hump on the 19 is in an uncomfortable position for me , even though I have small to medium hands. I perfer the 17 for range , home defense and open carry and the 26 for concealed carry.

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This isn't directed towards anybody in this thread, but I just have to get something off my chest. It's the "what shoots the best groups" thing in relation to a carry gun. The following pertains to civilian carry only:

1) A civilian gunfight is going to be a close range thing. The traditional SD seven yard distance is considered "close" compared to the 10 and 15 yard settings. You are more likely to have a civilian encounter at seven FEET than seven yards. If you can't do a fist sized group at seven feet or even five yards with a G19 you have a bigger problem than your gun selection.

2) On the range it is always satisfying to be able to shoot 2" groups at 7 or 10 yards. However, that is not necessary for SD use. In a defensive encounter both you and the perp are likely to be moving in some fashion. The 2" group is nice on cardboard but meaningless when all the particpants are moving. Kinda like headshots - great for executions but hard to do on a non-stationary target (aka human).

3) An accurate handgun is just plain fun, but you need to keep a perspective. My Wilson will do 1 1/2" at 25 yards. So what? A WWII GI 1911 will do 6-8" at the same distance. Take five yards, a relatively long distance for SD. The GI 1911 gives you a 1.6" group at that distance. In other words - it's usually the shooter and not the gun.

4) In spite of the above, I simply like big guns although I'm not a big guy. I carry daily and use either a Sig P226 or a G34. Both are in a Sparks VM-2 and conceal well and comfortably. I'm under no illusion, however, that I'm going to be any "safer" than carrying a smaller gun.

5) When for reasons of attire a smaller gun is needed, the smallest I will carry is my Sig P239 .40. Thats my personal limit on smaller size guns. Having said that, some people's lifestyle dictates an even smaller gun. Still better than having nothing though.

Sometimes this stuff reminds me of my USAF days when I was in tech school. A local radio station gave time checks corrected to "one thousandth of a second". Then they would give a one second tone to indicate the designated time.
I agree with your sentiment. The majority of armed Civilian self-defense scenarios are pretty much resolved within 3's (3 feet, 3 shots, 3 seconds) and most of the rest only greater slightly in distances, time and round counts , but there are many documentated civilian defense cases of multiple assailants, longer range engagements and perps taking multiple rounds and still keep fighting or attacking and you must consider these scenarios as well.
A 5 shot j-frame is adequate for the vast majority of civilian as well as LEO use of deadly force situations and a great contact distance close quarter weapon, but cops carry high cap autoloaders for a reason and we are around and might have to engage the same perps they do and IMO are wise to follow suit in choosing hardware. If someone thinks that the possibility is so low that they will have to engage an assailant at farther than room distances and that higher on board round counts aren't necessarily then they might as well be carrying a Scandium J-Frame and be done with it(many do just that). But, if someone is deciding between a G17 and a G19, I would say that person feels the small light revolver or even the Micro auto's are inadequate and they are saying that they will gladly deal with the heavier weight and larger size of a functional combat sidearm, then why let a miniscule amount of size deter you from picking the gun you can run the best.
Most people simply draw and shoot a 17 better than a 19 and why you see 17's used at competitions and very few 19's. I have little to no interest in sport shooting, but some skills and gear do carry over. Also don't overlook the draw itself and the ability to get a full solid grip.Most men will say they can simply get a much better grip on the 17 than the smaller models as well as better overall handling and quicker more stable mag changes(not highly likely in Civvie self-defense, but never know).
I would gladly deal with the slightly larger size of the G17 to gain all the practical functional advantages, because if I were in a real life and death self-defense situation, I want the gun I can handle and shoot the best.
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Old 10-10-2012, 15:23   #19
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I prefer the G19.
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Old 10-10-2012, 15:59   #20
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If I could only have one gun the Glock 19 would be high on my list. That said I much prefer the G26 for carrying and I have noted that more than a few people here have reported shooting the G26 better than larger versions. Of the G17 and the G34 I prefer the G34; irt just seems a bit better balanced and feels better to me. If was buying a pistol only using it for the range I would opt for the G34 over either the G17 or the G19.
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