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10-06-2012, 11:45
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Rate the top 4 semi-custom builds
We've kicked this around for years, but in light of price increases and the current economic situation, how would you rate the top 4 mfrs. of semi-custom 1911's?
Guncrafter
Wilson Combat
Springfield Custom
NightHawk
Last edited by GOOFA; 10-06-2012 at 12:18..
Reason: After seeing bac1023 post, I completely forgot about Springfield Custom definitely deserves top 4 recognition.
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10-06-2012, 12:12
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In no particular order...
Springfield Custom
Wilson
Guncrafter
Les Baer
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10-08-2012, 09:54
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bac1023
In no particular order...
Springfield Custom
Wilson
Guncrafter
Les Baer
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Out of curiosity, why would you not place Ed Brown in your top 4?
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10-06-2012, 12:17
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I would rate the top 4 IMO and in no certain order as:
Guncrafter
Wilson
Brown
SACS
Tie for fifth:
Baer
Nighthawk
Although I would classify all 6 of the above mentioned to all be in the same class, with all worthy of owning. I own some of each. 
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Last edited by glock2740; 10-06-2012 at 12:17..
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10-07-2012, 06:00
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Quote:
Originally Posted by glock2740
I would rate the top 4 IMO and in no certain order as:
Guncrafter
Wilson
Brown
SACS
Tie for fifth:
Baer
Nighthawk
Although I would classify all 6 of the above mentioned to all be in the same class, with all worthy of owning. I own some of each. |
I would agree with this,.....assuming price was not a factor.
I have owned a Brown, Wilson, Baer, & Guncrafter.
The GI is by far the best semi-custom when pricing is a consideration.
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10-07-2012, 07:49
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Originally Posted by faawrenchbndr
The GI is by far the best semi-custom when pricing is a consideration.
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I agree. They cost a little more than most Baer's, but you get your money's worth. Plus, Alex is hands on.
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10-07-2012, 10:14
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Originally Posted by faawrenchbndr
Never cared for the way Les cares to finish his 1911s.
Bluing is nice, but prep work is sub-par........IMO
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They definately don't put finish as their biggest priority, but more important for me is that the build quality is there, and they're hundreds of dollars cheaper than everyone else on the list.
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Originally Posted by faawrenchbndr
I have owned a Brown, Wilson, Baer, & Guncrafter.
The GI is by far the best semi-custom when pricing is a consideration.
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I need to get my hands on a No Name.
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10-07-2012, 10:28
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You do have a very valid point.
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10-07-2012, 10:51
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I need to get my hands on a No Name. |
Yes you do. 
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10-07-2012, 10:56
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 38 Super Fan
I need to get my hands on a No Name. |
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10-07-2012, 11:05
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Originally Posted by 38 Super Fan
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I need to get my hands on a No Name. |
Yep,........ 
Last edited by faawrenchbndr; 10-15-2012 at 15:57..
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10-08-2012, 00:01
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Quote:
Originally Posted by glock2740
I would rate the top 4 IMO and in no certain order as:
Guncrafter
Wilson
Brown
SACS
Tie for fifth:
Baer
Nighthawk
Although I would classify all 6 of the above mentioned to all be in the same class, with all worthy of owning. I own some of each. |
I agree!!!
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10-08-2012, 03:51
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Originally Posted by GOOFA
Simply put, when I put out $2000 for a 1911 such as my Les Baer I would like my bushing to perform similar to other 1911's costing hundreds less to hundreds more. I'm not the only one to experience this. The same goes for the slide release, Les will tell you it's normal and that you need to purchase one of his Pachmayer widgets to insert the slide release without damaging the frame. I have 1911's ranging from $550 to $3500 and they do not exhibit this. Also, I've seen finishes much better than LB on 1911's that cost less.
I think LB is one of the best semi custom 1911's for the price as far as performance for the dollar goes, but I don't appreciate the insanely tight bushings and I shouldn't have to eff with the slide release for a $2000 1911.
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Perhaps learning an alternative disassembly/assembly method would help....no "widgets" required 
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10-06-2012, 12:43
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All great shops for sure, when economics are figured in, Baers are hard to beat IMO.
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10-07-2012, 04:43
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 38 Super Fan
All great shops for sure, when economics are figured in, Baers are hard to beat IMO.
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True words Cody
None mentioned so far are built like a Baer...none 
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10-07-2012, 06:11
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Quote:
Originally Posted by R0CKETMAN
True words Cody
None mentioned so far are built like a Baer...none |
I feel Guncrafter and Springfield Custom build them tight like Baer does.
I hear what you're saying though.
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10-07-2012, 06:50
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Quote:
Originally Posted by R0CKETMAN
True words Cody
None mentioned so far are built like a Baer...none |
I agree. My list, in order, would be:
1. Les Baer
2. SACS
3. Wilson Combat
4. Ed Brown
I've no doubt Guncrafter would be on there (displacing EB - don't know where GC would rank) if I ever get around to owning one.
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10-22-2012, 12:07
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Officer's Match
I agree. My list, in order, would be:
1. Les Baer
2. SACS
3. Wilson Combat
4. Ed Brown
I've no doubt Guncrafter would be on there (displacing EB - don't know where GC would rank) if I ever get around to owning one.
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I agree, Ed Brown is one of the elite.
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10-07-2012, 06:21
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 38 Super Fan
All great shops for sure, when economics are figured in, Baers are hard to beat IMO.
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Never cared for the way Les cares to finish his 1911s.
Bluing is nice, but prep work is sub-par........IMO
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10-07-2012, 13:34
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Quote:
Originally Posted by faawrenchbndr
Never cared for the way Les cares to finish his 1911s.
Bluing is nice, but prep work is sub-par........IMO
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I agree. My experience is LB bluing is just adequate. My PII after 2000 rounds still requires a bushing wrench and the slide release still a PITA.
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10-07-2012, 13:52
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GOOFA
I agree. My experience is LB bluing is just adequate. My PII after 2000 rounds still requires a bushing wrench and the slide release still a PITA.
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You have to go with stainless or hard chrome when buying a Baer, in my opinion.
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10-23-2012, 20:58
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bac1023
You have to go with stainless or hard chrome when buying a Baer, in my opinion.
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I am glad to you have such praise for Les Baer. I just bought one last weekend off of Gun Broker in stainless steel. Mailed everthing off Monday and will have to wait. As you know I don't get to see the selection of guns that you can find locally so I have to take my chances with Gun Broker.
BTW, it doesn't have any idiot marks.
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10-07-2012, 15:43
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GOOFA
I agree. My experience is LB bluing is just adequate. My PII after 2000 rounds still requires a bushing wrench and the slide release still a PITA.
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It's crazy that a 1911 builder actually builds them to be shot. Weird.
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10-07-2012, 15:49
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MD357
It's crazy that a 1911 builder actually builds them to be shot. Weird.
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Yep,......
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10-07-2012, 17:49
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GOOFA
I agree. My experience is LB bluing is just adequate. My PII after 2000 rounds still requires a bushing wrench and the slide release still a PITA.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MD357
It's crazy that a 1911 builder actually builds them to be shot. Weird.
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And your point is?
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