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Old 10-02-2012, 05:42   #1
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Home Invasion with Rifle

http://www.shreveporttimes.com/artic...yssey=nav|head
The article does not say what type of rifle was used, but one of the local TV news stations reported that it was an AR-15.

So what's your plan to defend yourself against a bad guy busting into your home using an AR-15 or similar sporting rifle?

BTW, Shreveport has had a rash of home invasions this year. I'm glad I live across the river in Bossier City.
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Old 10-02-2012, 05:45   #2
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Saiga 12 > rifle in a home defense situation I would believe.
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Old 10-02-2012, 05:52   #3
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The perps probably used a marlin 60 with a broken stock = AK/AR/machine gun in the eyes of the media. 12 ga shotgun or G17 would be my answer to the threat. Whichever one is closer.YMMV. tom.
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Old 10-02-2012, 06:10   #4
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Hope it's an Olympic arms or other third tier AR15 because according to the internet they won't work.
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Old 10-02-2012, 07:11   #5
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The perps probably used a marlin 60 with a broken stock = AK/AR/machine gun in the eyes of the media.


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Old 10-02-2012, 06:43   #6
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http://www.shreveporttimes.com/artic...yssey=nav|head
The article does not say what type of rifle was used, but one of the local TV news stations reported that it was an AR-15.

So what's your plan to defend yourself against a bad guy busting into your home using an AR-15 or similar sporting rifle?

BTW, Shreveport has had a rash of home invasions this year. I'm glad I live across the river in Bossier City.
Doesn't Jerry Miculek live in Shreveport? The BG would be in for his worst nightmare in Jerry's home.
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Old 10-02-2012, 20:48   #7
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Doesn't Jerry Miculek live in Shreveport? The BG would be in for his worst nightmare in Jerry's home.
He lives in Princeton...about 20 miles or so East of Shreveport.

And yeah...I wouldnt want to break into a world record holder for shooting fast.

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Old 10-02-2012, 06:45   #8
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So what's your plan to defend yourself against a bad guy busting into your home using an AR-15 or similar sporting rifle?
Shoot mine first. Shoot mine better. Shoot mine more.
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Old 10-02-2012, 07:04   #9
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If someone burst into your home armed with anything... handgun or rifle or shotgun, they will run your business regardless of what you have to reach for simply because they will have their gun in their hand and you will be reaching your hand out for a gun. If you have a handgun in your shorts... you may get to fire back a shot or two. But if they burst into your home and you have to go get something other than a weapon secreted under the couch cushions, you will be toast.

Reality is that one is better off putting up properly thought out security features such as fence, outside lighting, alarms, quality doors/windows. Then and only then is it worthwhile to pay any attention to some sort of firearm. Do the other stuff first. Then do motion detectors, etc. inside, a safe room, and... a firearm of whatever type you think best. For most folks, that's a shotgun.
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Old 10-02-2012, 07:50   #10
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Reality is that one is better off putting up properly thought out security features such as fence, outside lighting, alarms, quality doors/windows. Then and only then is it worthwhile to pay any attention to some sort of firearm. Do the other stuff first. Then do motion detectors, etc. inside, a safe room, and... a firearm of whatever type you think best. For most folks, that's a shotgun.


I concur that a good really strong door will do a much better job of allowing one to potentially prevail in a home invasion than any specific choice of firearm. That and avoiding drugs and associations with criminals/gang members.
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Old 10-02-2012, 07:55   #11
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A rifle would not change my response at all. You break into my home with any type of weapon, and I will do the same response which is using mine first(most likely pistol since it is always next to me).
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I concur that a good really strong door will do a much better job of allowing one to potentially prevail in a home invasion than any specific choice of firearm. That and avoiding drugs and associations with criminals/gang members.
Common sense security measures and avoiding associations with criminals. Agree.
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If someone burst into your home armed with anything... handgun or rifle or shotgun, they will run your business regardless of what you have to reach for simply because they will have their gun in their hand and you will be reaching your hand out for a gun. If you have a handgun in your shorts... you may get to fire back a shot or two. But if they burst into your home and you have to go get something other than a weapon secreted under the couch cushions, you will be toast.
As I read this, I am indeed comforted by the pistol residing in my shorts. I have lived in places in the past that taught me no place is safe if you don't make it safe.
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Old 10-02-2012, 20:25   #14
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First is to avoid drugs and scumbags, live in a decent neighborhood.

Second tier is having sound barrier doors and windows with proper lighting and security. A sign announcing video and audio recording (whether there or not) won't hurt.

Multiple trained dogs and never doing anything without a firearm of some sort is the second tier of my plan.

Main thing is have garage door shut as much as possible. Most untargeted home invasions are homes in nice areas with garage door left open - day or night. If you have nice stuff and people such as landscape crews, pool guys, cable, electricians see something while working; they may come back.
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First is to avoid drugs and scumbags, live in a decent neighborhood.
As often as the cops raid the wrong house, criminals do it far more often. Avoiding drugs and scumbags is a false sense of security, as they can come for you, even if it is through stupidity.

Example. I live at: ABC Liberty Road. (Fake address)
Another fellow with the same first and last name lived at:
ABC Liberty Street.(Similar Fake address)

I got his motorcycle insurance bills, doctor bills, tax refund checks, and when he died a lot of sympathy cards. If he had a bad drug deal go down, I could very well have been attacked in the middle of the night with no warning.


It can happen.

And in my world, decent neighborhoods are what DRAW criminals to the area. More to steal than in bad neighborhoods.
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As often as the cops raid the wrong house, criminals do it far more often. Avoiding drugs and scumbags is a false sense of security, as they can come for you, even if it is through stupidity.

Example. I live at: ABC Liberty Road. (Fake address)
Another fellow with the same first and last name lived at:
ABC Liberty Street.(Similar Fake address)

I got his motorcycle insurance bills, doctor bills, tax refund checks, and when he died a lot of sympathy cards. If he had a bad drug deal go down, I could very well have been attacked in the middle of the night with no warning.


It can happen.

And in my world, decent neighborhoods are what DRAW criminals to the area. More to steal than in bad neighborhoods.
Of course it can. Unless you build your home on land that only tee pees were on centuries ago, you could take the wrath of a targeted HI intended for the previous owner. I'd say if the
mail was addressed to ABC Liberty Rd., the mailman is an idiot. If had the correct address, the companies who were sending the stuff is to blame. Either way, your initials and address with Ave. in bold on the inside of the door Could have put a stop to that. How annoying!

I was just saying of things we're able to control. You're right, anything could happen.

I also agree about the rifle being used. It's not a theatre full of unsuspecting sitting ducks. I don't train often (enough) with long-guns. I can move and more importantly take cover with a handgun. If the fight comes to me, I hope to have enough time to put any armed intruders out of their comfort zone and off their plan. If it's them dead on the foyer or running off, I could not care less. What kind of weapon they have matters little since the outcome will likely be decided in less than 15 seconds.
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As I read this, I am indeed comforted by the pistol residing in my shorts. I have lived in places in the past that taught me no place is safe if you don't make it safe.
Like I said, use common sense security measures put in place before hand. As to a gun in the shorts... whatever. It might actually come in handy... if your not caught with your pants down, i.e., by surprise. If that happens... your toast.
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If someone burst into your home armed with anything... handgun or rifle or shotgun, they will run your business regardless of what you have to reach for simply because they will have their gun in their hand and you will be reaching your hand out for a gun. If you have a handgun in your shorts... you may get to fire back a shot or two. But if they burst into your home and you have to go get something other than a weapon secreted under the couch cushions, you will be toast.

Reality is that one is better off putting up properly thought out security features such as fence, outside lighting, alarms, quality doors/windows. Then and only then is it worthwhile to pay any attention to some sort of firearm. Do the other stuff first. Then do motion detectors, etc. inside, a safe room, and... a firearm of whatever type you think best. For most folks, that's a shotgun.
This is a good reason to keep your gun on your person while in your home.

I seldom do this anymore, but it's no less a good idea.
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This is a good reason to keep your gun on your person while in your home.

I seldom do this anymore, but it's no less a good idea.
It is so damned inconvenient though. At some point you have to do a risk assessment and make some judgement calls. For me, that means I am just a few steps away from a gun anywhere in my house, but I'm not carrying here.

I do know someone that was killed recently in his home and his stashed handgun was untouched, though there are some indications it may have been a professional hit.
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Meh.....dont care if they wheel in a howitzer, your job is to shoot first and kill the threat. They are in the wrong and you are in the right. They never expect that any victim will do that and thats why victims are called victims
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This is a good reason to keep your gun on your person while in your home.

I seldom do this anymore, but it's no less a good idea.
Common sense security measures put in place before hand will in almost any instance prevent any need to have immediate instant access to a firearm. Why? Because those attempting will not be able to get in without significant delay. That will certainly afford one time to call 911... take loved ones to a safe room and arm ones self to wait till police arrive.
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If someone burst into your home armed with anything... handgun or rifle or shotgun, they will run your business regardless of what you have to reach for simply because they will have their gun in their hand and you will be reaching your hand out for a gun. If you have a handgun in your shorts... you may get to fire back a shot or two. But if they burst into your home and you have to go get something other than a weapon secreted under the couch cushions, you will be toast.

Reality is that one is better off putting up properly thought out security features such as fence, outside lighting, alarms, quality doors/windows. Then and only then is it worthwhile to pay any attention to some sort of firearm. Do the other stuff first. Then do motion detectors, etc. inside, a safe room, and... a firearm of whatever type you think best. For most folks, that's a shotgun.
Agreed.

If a man enters your house with a rifle and has the element of surprise your goose is cooked in most cases. That said, I'd like a shotgun if its a situation where I actually have time to take defensive measures.
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Agreed.

If a man enters your house with a rifle and has the element of surprise your goose is cooked in most cases. That said, I'd like a shotgun if its a situation where I actually have time to take defensive measures.
No argument from me!
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If someone burst into your home armed with anything... handgun or rifle or shotgun, they will run your business regardless of what you have to reach for simply because they will have their gun in their hand and you will be reaching your hand out for a gun. If you have a handgun in your shorts... you may get to fire back a shot or two. But if they burst into your home and you have to go get something other than a weapon secreted under the couch cushions, you will be toast.

Reality is that one is better off putting up properly thought out security features such as fence, outside lighting, alarms, quality doors/windows. Then and only then is it worthwhile to pay any attention to some sort of firearm. Do the other stuff first. Then do motion detectors, etc. inside, a safe room, and... a firearm of whatever type you think best. For most folks, that's a shotgun.

Ah but that's why you fortify your home. I spend much of my time in the bedroom where my entertainment is. TV, computer, girlfriend, etc. Right next to me, my mossberg 500, and depending if I have pants on, glock 19 in my pants.

Now in order to get to my bedroom, you need to first bust open my locked door, neutralize the two dogs I have in the living room (rottweiler that isn't too friend'y with strangers to begin with and a german shepherd) THEN go to the right room of course, and get past that locked door. I think even if you knew my home's layout, I'd still have plenty of time to grab my mossberg 500 and flip the safety off it.
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