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Old 08-05-2012, 16:49   #1
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I have my G27 & G23 listed on my CCW permit. These are of course listed by serial number. Sometimes I use a 9mm conversion in my G23. Since the 9 barrel does not have a serial number, is my G23 technically not the same gun on the permit? Just trying to avoid any problems. Thanks.
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Old 08-05-2012, 17:02   #2
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My .02c is worth just that. But firearms serial numbers are based on frame. So it doesn't matter what barrel is in it as long as you don't change the frame number. Basically when you bought the 23 you registered the frame not the barrel, slide, trigger or any other part.
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Old 08-05-2012, 19:35   #3
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Technically speaking the frame is the firearm, a matching serial number on the slide, barrel, or any other part is meaningless, legally speaking. However, if your handgun is listed as being a .40 S&W on your permit, then I wouldn't carry it with the 9mm barrel. Doing so could be seen as a violation in California, depending on exactly what the law says.
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Technically speaking the frame is the firearm, a matching serial number on the slide, barrel, or any other part is meaningless, legally speaking. However, if your handgun is listed as being a .40 S&W on your permit, then I wouldn't carry it with the 9mm barrel. Doing so could be seen as a violation in California, depending on exactly what the law says.
I agree... It's hard enough to get a CA CCW in some areas, I wouldn't risk losing your permit (or worse) because some politician thinks you're abusing a technicality.

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Old 08-05-2012, 21:11   #5
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Technically speaking the frame is the firearm, a matching serial number on the slide, barrel, or any other part is meaningless, legally speaking. However, if your handgun is listed as being a .40 S&W on your permit, then I wouldn't carry it with the 9mm barrel. Doing so could be seen as a violation in California, depending on exactly what the law says.
This is how I view it in NY too.

Caliber is listed on the permit, so I'd get that caliber listed
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Old 08-06-2012, 03:22   #6
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The fine state of California will have you qualify for both calibers and require both to be listed on your permit.

BTW, no state requirement to limit the number of calibers on the permit to three. Your county is not likely to give you grief about adding the 9mm conversion.
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Old 08-06-2012, 06:50   #7
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How did you get a permit in California?!!

I am jealous.
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Old 08-06-2012, 11:54   #8
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How did you get a permit in California?!!

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Believe it or not, most county's in California "may issue." In the bigger metropolitan county's, (LA, SF,) forget it.

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Old 08-06-2012, 12:28   #9
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How did you get a permit in California?!!

I am jealous.
Generally speaking, it is harder to obtain a ccw in the coastal, more highly populated counties. Move inwards and many of the counties are shall issue.
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Old 08-06-2012, 07:05   #10
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Oh great, now you've started the whole "barrel loophole" argument.
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Old 08-06-2012, 18:50   #11
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I have my G27 & G23 listed on my CCW permit. These are of course listed by serial number. Sometimes I use a 9mm conversion in my G23. Since the 9 barrel does not have a serial number, is my G23 technically not the same gun on the permit? Just trying to avoid any problems. Thanks.
Apparently you haven't looked at your CA permit recently. The permit identifies your carry guns by Serial#, caliber, make and model.

It's a mighty poor decision to modify your carry guns in any way including a change in caliber.

If you use your .40 converted pistol in 9mm in El Dorado Co., there may be no ramifications. But will it fly in the liberal anti-gun counties in the Gay Area or So.Cal? I wouldn't bet my my freedoms on it.

Way to easy for any Prosecutor or plaintiff's Atty to accuse you of being an "asassian" looking for a poor minority victim to murder with a different caliber weapon and then get rid of evidence of the crime by disposing of said "asassin's" barrel and changing back to your standard .40 barrel.
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Old 08-08-2012, 17:01   #12
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Contact your issuing agency.

This issue has been brought up and each issuing agency handles it different.

Some will not allow you to carry the handgun in another caliber.

Some will list the handgun with the additional caliber.

You need to contact your issuing agency prior to carrying it in the other caliber.
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Old 08-09-2012, 18:34   #13
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I am considering trying to change the caliber to "multi" on at least one of the pistols on my permit the next time I make a change to my permit.
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Old 08-13-2012, 20:22   #14
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Call the office that issued the permit. I think they would know better than us.
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