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Old 07-28-2012, 16:19   #1
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380 + p yup

OK I'm a G20 10 mm lover Best pistol ever made... I bought an LCP never thought I would but was wanting a small pocket pistol for those time not carrying my G20.. The Ruger LCP loaded 7 rounds Underwood +P 1150fps new hP would not be something I would want to be hit with.

LOOK out 9mm... The LCP 380+P is knocking once on your door and walking in.

Any other 380+ P lovers chim in on your experiences

Great little pistol with a punch
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Old 07-28-2012, 16:48   #2
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I doubt you'll actually see that kind of speed coming out of your LCP but the newer .380 loads aren't too bad. You are seeing much higher velosities out of 9mm luger so why not .380? Possibly the newer .380's are up to spec with older 9mm's?
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Old 07-28-2012, 17:51   #3
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+P+ out of my Colt Pony makes your hand tingle.

You probably won't hit anything with it from very far out.

But, anyone in the general vicinity will run.

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Old 07-28-2012, 19:05   #4
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It was my understanding that the LCP couldn't handle +p rounds.
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It was my understanding that the LCP couldn't handle +p rounds.
Details schmetails. Don't think I'd enjoy trying it though.
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Old 07-29-2012, 01:34   #6
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It was my understanding that the LCP couldn't handle +p rounds.
Several people on this forum have used them with no apparent harm to their guns or themselves. Ruger states no +P in the LCP manual and given that it has a 4 ounces slide I stick with standard pressure Remington 102 BJHPs.
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Old 07-28-2012, 19:53   #7
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All guns can handle at least 1 round of +p
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Old 07-29-2012, 01:49   #8
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Instead of a pocket (expletive omitted) why not get a real gun in a real caliber. Such as 9x19 or larger?

There are plenty of small compact guns that fire a far more potent cartridge than the .380. I can't see why anyone can justify carrying a cartridge with the lousy track record that the .380 has.

It's your life not mine. I guess America loves it's fads more than logic.

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Instead of a pocket (expletive omitted) why not get a real gun in a real caliber. Such as 9x19 or larger?

There are plenty of small compact guns that fire a far more potent cartridge than the .380. I can't see why anyone can justify carrying a cartridge with the lousy track record that the .380 has.

It's your life not mine. I guess America loves it's fads more than logic.

Have at it there chisel chest!

Okay Alice, I'll bite. Because the LCP size guns are a hell of a lot smaller than the small 9mms and with several hundred rounds my LCP is tested reliable. Your disapproval is noted.

Here it is next to a Glock 26 and Kahr MK9. It is much slimmer and lighter.

The Okie Corral

The Okie Corral

It is also considerably smaller, lighter and thinner than a 642.

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Old 07-29-2012, 02:15   #10
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Okay Alice, I'll bite. Because the LCP size guns are a hell of a lot smaller than the small 9mms and with several hundred rounds my LCP is tested reliable. Your disapproval is noted.

Here it is next to a Glock 26 and Kahr MK9. It is much slimmer and lighter.

The Okie Corral

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It is also considerably smaller, lighter and thinner than a 642.

The Okie Corral

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The size is definitely advantageous but is trumped by the cartridge. Sure, any gun is better than no gun but I don't see what's so dang hard about carrying at least a sub compact 9mm over those things.

I'm not much over 5" tall and weigh 130 pounds. I can conceal a full size pistol with no trouble. Now I don't expect everyone to be just like me but I hear so many people complaining that guns are too bulky, too heavy, to big, ect....

As a result, they settle for something less then optimum for defense. I don't see how someone justifies that when concealing, lets say a Glock 26 is easy as pie.

Just for the record, my 9x19 minimum is referring to a semi-auto pistol since that's what we were discussing.

The .38 Special has a great track record and is more than adequate for personal defense especially with the Speer 135+P loading.

No one can nor will ever convince me (and alot of professionals) that the .380 is adequate for personal defense.

YMMV.
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I believe a lot of the difference is circumstance that people find themselves carrying in NEOH. And rule number 1 does apply. You don't have to sell me on the advantage that a G26 or P2000sk 40 has over a 380. My Kahr MK9 is the shortest barrel 9mm I have @ 3" and I would have to get the weakest 9mm I could find for it and get a 380 the size of my PPK w/3.35" barrel and the hottest +P 380 to even get the 380 in spitting distance. At that point the size differences are not a consideration, especially since I don't handicap my Kahrs or 26s to let the 380 try to catch up. I load my MK9 with HST2 147 grain loads. BTW this particular PPK is a 32, my only other 380 class cartridge gun is my Makarov 9X18 which is 26 ounces empty but tough built.

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I believe a lot of the difference is circumstance that people find themselves carrying in NEOH. And rule number 1 does apply. You don't have to sell me on the advantage that a G26 or P2000sk 40 has over a 380. My Kahr MK9 is the shortest barrel 9mm I have @ 3" and I would have to get the weakest 9mm I could find for it and get a 380 the size of my PPK w/3.35" barrel and the hottest +P 380 to even get the 380 in spitting distance. At that point the size differences are not a consideration, especially since I don't handicap my Kahrs or 26s to let the 380 try to catch up. I load my MK9 with HST2 147 grain loads. BTW this particular PPK is a 32, my only other 380 class cartridge gun is my Makarov 9X18 which is 26 ounces empty but tough built.
All else aside, the main reason that I don't consider the .380 is because of the way it's performed in my testing (not scientific when compared to the industry) and actual industry testing. My experience has been what will reliably expand doesn't usually penetrate to a adequate depth and that which does penetrate to a adequate depth doesn't expand and often over penetrates.

I considered the .380 years ago but I was always put off by the less then stellar performance. Sure the .380 has put some people down. I never said it couldn't but it doesn't have the greatest track record and that's why I don't feel comfortable betting my life on it.

One thing I've never tested myself is how the .380 would perform in a contact shot or near point blank range. I would imagine the results would be similar to what I've observed already but I don't know that for sure.

I will say one thing, the .380 in those small single stack pistols make for a great hide away gun though!

If someday someone works out a bullet design that does the job, then my opinion my change. Until then.......
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[QUOTE=G26S239;19247284]Okay Alice, I'll bite. Because the LCP size guns are a hell of a lot smaller than the small 9mms and with several hundred rounds my LCP is tested reliable. Your disapproval is noted.

..........

Yes but compare it against the Rohrbaugh 9MM. I used to carry a Seecamp .32 when it was not convenient to carry a Glock 29. The 29 is just as easy to carry as Model 26 (sub-compact 9mm, easier to shoot that the Model 33 (sub-compact .357SIG) and no body bag is needed, only a wetvac.

When the Rohrbaugh became available I haven't carried the Seecamp since. The Rohrbaugh is slightly larger and much more potent. It's main drawback (besides cost) is frequent recoil spring replacement. The springs are cheap so not a big deal to me.
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Okay Alice, I'll bite. Because the LCP size guns are a hell of a lot smaller than the small 9mms and with several hundred rounds my LCP is tested reliable. Your disapproval is noted.

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Yes but compare it against the Rohrbaugh 9MM. I used to carry a Seecamp .32 when it was not convenient to carry a Glock 29. The 29 is just as easy to carry as Model 26 (sub-compact 9mm, easier to shoot that the Model 33 (sub-compact .357SIG) and no body bag is needed, only a wetvac.

When the Rohrbaugh became available I haven't carried the Seecamp since. The Rohrbaugh is slightly larger and much more potent. It's main drawback (besides cost) is frequent recoil spring replacement. The springs are cheap so not a big deal to me.
I just looked it up on the mouse gun board. The LCP is still smaller - not much in length - in width and height and weight. But I agree the 9mm is a much better round. I recently got a Beretta Nano that is slightly longer, taller and wider than my MK9 and weighs 19.8 ounces on my postal scale to goes in .2 ounce increments. The spring replacement schedule on your Rorbaugh sounds like a reasonable trade off for the reduced size and weight. Off hand can you tell me what the slide weight is on the Rorbaugh?.

I have a Seecamp LWS32 as well but put it up before I got the LCP because I could not get comfortable with the 60 grain ST out of a 2" barrel. Nice little gun though.
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Old 11-30-2012, 12:48   #15
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I have a G19, G26, Kahr CM9, J frame, and LCP.
Nothing carries like an LCP.

I am 54 and only pulled a gun on someone once in my life for SD. In the 1980's I was driving a cab as a part time job.
At 2 am I was sitting in a 7-11 parking lot. A guy pulled in to the lot, we were the only ones in the lot. The guy for no reason, (I never said a word to him) was telling me he was going to drag me out of the cab, kill me and rip my head off and ***** down my neck ect. ect. He was walking up to my door. I pulled a 2 shot 38 spl. Derringer out and he stopped in his tracks, eyes got the size of silver dollars, and started walking backwards. That 2 shot Derringer ended the attack.
I am glad it ended like it did, I did not want to have to shoot him.

The LCP should do just fine in a SD situation.
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...... Off hand can you tell me what the slide weight is on the Rorbaugh?.

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OK, It took mine down, and weighed it on a Postage.com electric scale and it weighed 4.9 ounces.

It was tricker to reassemble than I remember. But I figured out again, it was not hard.
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Instead of a pocket (expletive omitted) why not get a real gun in a real caliber. Such as 9x19 or larger?

There are plenty of small compact guns that fire a far more potent cartridge than the .380. I can't see why anyone can justify carrying a cartridge with the lousy track record that the .380 has.

It's your life not mine. I guess America loves it's fads more than logic.

Have at it there chisel chest!


Do you know the first rule of a gunfight? Bring a gun.

I know plenty of macho types who turn their nose up at mouse guns, who simply do not carry in circumstances where their bigger, heavier weapon is impractical or impossible to carry.

I can clip my P3AT into the waistband of a pair of jogging shorts or sweatpants and never even notice that it is there. Show me a nine you can do that with. I tell people that my P3AT is what I carry when I can't carry a gun. I would much rather have that in my hand than my Johnson, if trouble finds me though.

I usually carry a 5" Kimber CDP, but I am not always dressed in a way where I can carry it. I am always carrying something though. Eric
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Is there a standard for +P & +P+ in .380 auto?

I purchased a P-3AT 6 years ago - I still carry it when I walk the dog - go get the mail - while taking a bike ride - and as a BUG when I travel.

IMHO the P-3AT is easier to shoot than a J frame size revolver in double action. Long trigger but smooth trigger.

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Do you know the first rule of a gunfight? Bring a gun.

I know plenty of macho types who turn their nose up at mouse guns, who simply do not carry in circumstances where their bigger, heavier weapon is impractical or impossible to carry.

I can clip my P3AT into the waistband of a pair of jogging shorts or sweatpants and never even notice that it is there. Show me a nine you can do that with. I tell people that my P3AT is what I carry when I can't carry a gun. I would much rather have that in my hand than my Johnson, if trouble finds me though.

I usually carry a 5" Kimber CDP, but I am not always dressed in a way where I can carry it. I am always carrying something though. Eric
I agree with you.


My first carry gun was a Bersa Thunder .380. no spare magazine, carried IWB or pocket carry. It was what I could afford at the time. I still have it. I have built up a small collection since then. I have carried the .380, .38 Special, .357 Magnum, 9X19, .40 caliber, .357 SIG, .45 GAP, and .45 ACP.


My smallest gun is the Bersa, my largest is a full size 1911.
I usually carry 9MM in a GLOCK G19 IWB or a G26 in my pocket or with a Galco JAK slide. Man I love that little holster, it carries and conceals like an IWB but since it rides outside the waistband, its pretty darn comfortable. But I digress.


I feel confident enough with any of those weapons, but the .380 does make me feel a little underpowered. I dont carry that one very often anymore.
But like you Eric, I always carry something.
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LCP with BB hard cast +P in rear pocket at ALL times.
Out and about and the G26 accompanies the LCP.
Always

There are just some places and some situations where only an LCP or similar will do.
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Do you know the first rule of a gunfight? Bring a gun.

I know plenty of macho types who turn their nose up at mouse guns, who simply do not carry in circumstances where their bigger, heavier weapon is impractical or impossible to carry.

I can clip my P3AT into the waistband of a pair of jogging shorts or sweatpants and never even notice that it is there. Show me a nine you can do that with. I tell people that my P3AT is what I carry when I can't carry a gun. I would much rather have that in my hand than my Johnson, if trouble finds me though.

I usually carry a 5" Kimber CDP, but I am not always dressed in a way where I can carry it. I am always carrying something though. Eric
I have the S&W Bodyguard 380 in a Pocketroo holster and .75oz pepper spray. It all fits comfortably in the front pocket of my jeans - easily accessible. I use Federal Hydrashocks.

Would I rather have my Glock 26 or Kimber CDP II? Sure but the weight and size just doesn't make them my choice.
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Carrying a gun should be comforting, not comfortable! IMO so many people take the easy way out with carrying a "small" gun instead of sacking up and carrying something bigger which I'm sure alot could pull off, but don't want to try.

That's just my opinion, I carry a G19 but wouldn't hesitate to carry a G17 or another full-size pistol if I had one.
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Carrying a gun should be comforting, not comfortable! IMO so many people take the easy way out with carrying a "small" gun instead of sacking up and carrying something bigger which I'm sure alot could pull off, but don't want to try.

That's just my opinion, I carry a G19 but wouldn't hesitate to carry a G17 or another full-size pistol if I had one.
Clint Smith likes to use that comforting not comfortable line. As a professional firearms trainer there is no downside to him possibly occasionally being made as armed. Maybe you should carry a full size 1911 like Clint does since you like quoting him. My TRS weighs just under 46 ounces loaded but I'll pass on carrying it - too damned heavy. I will also generally refrain from using my pistol to fight my way to my rifle like so many sheepdogs like to repeat. That Aurora massacre is a good example of the flaw in that mantra for an armed citizen. Having police respond to that call and being a well armed sheepdog going back into that theater as a non cop - no badge person armed with a rifle would not have gone well for such a sheepdog.
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Clint Smith likes to use that comforting not comfortable line. As a professional firearms trainer there is no downside to him possibly occasionally being made as armed. Maybe you should carry a full size 1911 like Clint does since you like quoting him. My TRS weighs just under 46 ounces loaded but I'll pass on carrying it - too damned heavy. I will also generally refrain from using my pistol to fight my way to my rifle like so many sheepdogs like to repeat. That Aurora massacre is a good example of the flaw in that mantra for an armed citizen. Having police respond to that call and being a well armed sheepdog going back into that theater as a non cop - no badge person armed with a rifle would not have gone well for such a sheepdog.
I've always thought that, for the overwhelming majority of situations, that mantra is ridiculous, for similar reasons as to what you expressed.
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I've always thought that, for the overwhelming majority of situations, that mantra is ridiculous, for similar reasons as to what you expressed.
I've always thought that there is a happy medium on the size and caliber of handgun carried, I'm still not sure I've found it but right now I'm really liking the Glock 27.

As far as the fighting your way to a rifle or shotgun, I agree but I also feel that this is more valid in your own space, home or vehichle campsite etc. Not out in public of course.
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