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Old 06-26-2012, 19:55   #1
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Any Border Patrol? Question ref, training.

So, I get an email from a buddy of mine with this link:

http://freedomoutpost.com/2012/06/bo...ngs-not-shoot/

Bottom line is, the article staes that if you are confronted by an active shooter, you should run, hide, call 911 and, as a last resort, throw things at the shooter. Supposedly taught to in service Border Patrol. (no mention of, I dunno...killing the active shooter)

Taking most emails with a grain of salt, I would guess this is training for unarmed folks. Wives. Advice to give people who ask you what they should do etc. And, not really "training" for what they actually want a Border Patrol Agent doing in a situation like that....right?
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Old 06-26-2012, 20:14   #2
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Old 06-26-2012, 20:15   #3
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That bull**** went out DHS-wide. They have "courses" where you click-until-you-get-a-certificate that they substitute for actual training.

It's pretty awesome.
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Old 10-01-2012, 22:10   #4
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That bull**** went out DHS-wide. They have "courses" where you click-until-you-get-a-certificate that they substitute for actual training.

It's pretty awesome.
I had to take that stupid on line crap.click continue on each page then click print certification... But it was great for a resume...LOL
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Old 06-26-2012, 20:30   #5
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I am ok with the run/ hide/ throw things scenario as long as the things are grenades.

Other than that, not so ok.
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WTF? Is that real?
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WTF? Is that real?
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Old 06-26-2012, 21:10   #8
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Seeing as how i've seen Customs and Border Protection involved in active shooter live exercises as recently as earlier this year, i'd say probably not the training they are given. But what do i know?
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Seeing as how i've seen Customs and Border Protection involved in active shooter live exercises as recently as earlier this year, i'd say probably not the training they are given. But what do i know?
I don't know if Coasties have that horrendous virtual university or virtual learning center but ICE and CBP do and the article is, sadly, accurate. Since management isn't capable of an original thought / scared of liability / apathetic nobody thought to exclude the gun-toting members of DHS from this mandatory "training".


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Edit: capitalize Coastie. No slight intended.
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I don't know if Coasties have that horrendous virtual university or virtual learning center but ICE and CBP do and the article is, sadly, accurate. Since management isn't capable of an original thought / scared of liability / apathetic nobody thought to exclude the gun-toting members of DHS from this mandatory "training".


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Edit: capitalize Coastie. No slight intended.
We do have mandated online training as well, but nothing as ridiculous as what is in the article. Are you CBP/ICE(HSI)? I only ask to see if you have actually taken the training in question. The article is based off of a non-official union blog, which makes me question it's validity.

ETA: I'll talk to the CBP guys i know tommorow and get the scoop from them.

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Old 06-26-2012, 21:48   #11
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This article brought a smile to my face. I'm glad someone else found this as ridiculous as I did.

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Old 06-26-2012, 22:10   #12
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I dunno about other folks, but personally I would have a hard enough time waiting for more good guy shooters for backup as an active shooter scenario is going down, much less run and hide.

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Old 06-27-2012, 08:21   #14
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Can someone within ICE / BP / CBP tell us if this is legit? I went to the union website so obviously it's being put out there.


ETA: Okay, talked to someone with HSI. The training was mandated for all of DHS, however, it was geared toward non-LEOs and not the LEOs, even though they had to take it.

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Old 06-27-2012, 08:51   #15
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Did they just take the script of the "Scream" movies and adapt it to LEO training?

This sounds rediculous at best.
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That sounds almost word for word the couple of active shooter presentations (I've attended) for John Q. Public, sans the shoot the guy at the end.
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Old 06-27-2012, 14:12   #17
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It's the generic training for secretaries, mechanics and other non-sworn types that somehow got (mis) directed to the gun-toting side of the house.
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Old 06-27-2012, 15:56   #18
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ICE-HSI, I took it we all had to. It was DHS mandated, I'm sure the Secret Service guys took it too.

The training was not meant for the LEOs but they forced us to take it anyway. No scandal, no cover-up, no expectation that DHS LEOs run and hide, just an admin moron that was to lazy to figure out a way to direct the training to its intended audience.

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The training was not meant for the LEOs but they forced us to take it anyway. No scandal, no cover-up, no expectation that DHS LEOs run and hide, just an admin moron that was to lazy to figure out a way to direct the training to its intended audience.
So what your saying is typical government buracracy weenie?

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...I'm sure the Secret Service guys took it too...

And it works!! Throwing their BVD's at a Colombian hooker deterred her from illegal entry.
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ICE-HSI, I took it we all had to. It was DHS mandated, I'm sure the Secret Service guys took it too.

The training was not meant for the LEOs but they forced us to take it anyway. No scandal, no cover-up, no expectation that DHS LEOs run and hide, just an admin moron that was to lazy to figure out a way to direct the training to its intended audience.
Kinda what I thought. Thanks.
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Here's a thought.

If after all this on-line training that even the LEO's were required to take (and thus issued a "certificate of completion"), some LEO later actively engages a "active shooter" situation, could some pencil-neck bean-counter Admin type try and discipline the LEO for failing to abide by the training that they were just certified as taking (I.e.: flailed to run away, hide and/or call 911)?

This reminds me of the completely worthless NIMS FEMA on-line training that all govt employees were required to complete some years ago.
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Here's a thought.

If after all this on-line training that even the LEO's were required to take (and thus issued a "certificate of completion"), some LEO later actively engages a "active shooter" situation, could some pencil-neck bean-counter Admin type try and discipline the LEO for failing to abide by the training that they were just certified as taking (I.e.: flailed to run away, hide and/or call 911)?

This reminds me of the completely worthless NIMS FEMA on-line training that all govt employees were required to complete some years ago.
That's the exact issue the USBP union brought up, and are pretty irritated about, it seems.
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Old 07-04-2012, 16:41   #25
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I had read an article about the Border Patrol Union raising a valid concern about how DHS was going to view an off duty agent intervening in an active shooter scenario. If some numb____z is making even enforcement personnel view a video aimed at non LE sheep, then I think there are some real idiots in the system.
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