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Old 05-07-2012, 03:13   #1
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The New Replacement for the M-4 ?

This should be interesting to follow. If this goes through Im picking the HK 416




The USA’s M4 Carbine Controversy

www.defenseindustrydaily.com/the-usas-m4-carbine-controversy-03289/

Phase 2
www.guns.com/army-begins-phase-two-of-the-individual-carbine-competition-7607.html


Army Begins Phase Two of the Individual Carbine Competition
"The US Army is moving forward with their competition to evaluate rifles which may be selected to replace the M4. Part of the ongoing process to see if the market can provide a rifle that shows measurable improvement over the M4 that started back in 2005 with the XM8 project, it appears as if at least five companies have made it to round two of the Individual Carbine competition."




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Old 05-07-2012, 03:44   #2
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As with the choice of the Italian made Beretta M9 decades ago, I'm sure politics will have nothing to do with the final choice.
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Old 05-07-2012, 11:03   #3
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As with the choice of the Italian made Beretta M9 decades ago, I'm sure politics will have nothing to do with the final choice.
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Old 05-08-2012, 04:33   #4
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As with the choice of the Italian made Beretta M9 decades ago, I'm sure politics will have nothing to do with the final choice.
Exactly. And, really, the Italian made Beretta didn't really win the contract. The Maryland made Beretta did. Only a few Italian made Berettas were delivered to the military. Anybody wonder why a company like Beretta, would decide to put their American gun factory in a state like Maryland, instead of a state with lower wages and expenses? I'm sure somebody could tell, and I bet it wouldn't be, "Well we just did a study to find the best place."

There is really only one mil-spec, and that is when the most powerful Senator or Representative specifies what the military will buy from his district through earmarking. When the military gets what they really need, or the best product for the intended use, it is purely an accident, same as the rest of the government.

Watch what happens when the military decides they don't need any more of a product built in a powerful Congressman's district. They get more of them anyway. Watch what's happening with M-1 tanks right now for the perfect example.

It happens everywhere else in the government, too. At the same time the DOJ was suing Miicrosoft for being a monopoly, we were abruptly switched from Corel WordPerfect to Microsoft Word on tens of thousands of computers, despite the fact that I never met anyone there who didn't like Word Perfect better.

We all said, "There is a good story there if anyone could ever figure it out."

The government wasn't allowed to buy anything but Ford, GM and Chrysler products for years, despite the fact that many foreign branded cars were being built here in the US and many actually had more American made parts in them than the big three. Again, anybody think that was a decision, just made with a pencil and calculator?

It only makes sense in a government way.
Military: "We have just about got all the bugs worked out of the AR platform and we are very happy with it."

Congress: "Really, well then there is no more money to be made in upgrades, we better get a new gun out there."
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Old 05-07-2012, 11:08   #5
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Old 05-07-2012, 11:20   #6
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I hope the military adopts a new platform. Then all the Mall-ninja/suburban Rambos out there will have something new to salivate over...

Then maybe my AR parts will finally come off back-order!!!!


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Old 05-07-2012, 11:46   #7
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"But, but..if it uses the same caliber, what's the point? You can "Leggo" the AR platform to make it ANYTHING you want.

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Old 05-07-2012, 11:55   #8
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I predict that millions will be spent on T/E only for the program to be cancelled before any new gun is chosen.

Kinda like the pistol debacle of a few years ago.
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Old 05-07-2012, 12:11   #9
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This rumor is like the General Firearms version of the "Glock Carbine"
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Old 05-07-2012, 12:14   #10
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This rumor is like the General Firearms version of the "Glock Carbine"
Glock is coming out with a rifle???????





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Old 05-07-2012, 12:14   #11
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Glock is coming out with a rifle???????





And a single stack 9mm

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Old 05-19-2012, 11:24   #12
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And a single stack 9mm

That's a lie! With the release of the Shield, the market has shown little interest is the concept of a single stack 9mm-especially one made by Glock.

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Old 05-19-2012, 14:19   #13
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Replace the pitiful 5.56 first.
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Old 05-07-2012, 12:27   #14
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Old 05-07-2012, 12:51   #15
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Didn't the government/Army just sign a big contract with Remington for new M-4 rifles?

I don't think we'll be switching from the M-4 platform any time in the forseeable future.
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I HEARD, the Beretta will also be replaced very soon.........
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Old 05-09-2012, 07:30   #17
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Old 05-15-2012, 18:04   #18
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Well Glock engineers have recently mastered the ejection pattern of a finicky 1911. Why not go whole hog and build the real deal?

I would definitely buy a Glock 1911 though if they ever made one.
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Old 05-07-2012, 13:07   #19
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Id actually like to see a Glock carbine, i guess it would be made of polymer though. be kinda neat, i wonder how the firing assembly would be????
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Id actually like to see a Glock carbine, i guess it would be made of polymer though. be kinda neat, i wonder how the firing assembly would be????
Striker fired M4?

Lol.

Bet the sales of piston conversion kits would fall through the frikin floor. I'd be the one ass-hat out there scouring around for a DI conversion for the Glock carbine...

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Old 05-07-2012, 15:24   #21
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There's a very good chance nothing will become of this. A lot of money was wasted on the XM8, which was never adopted. If there is a winner, it will probably many years to adopt. I think the HK416 and SCAR stand the best chance since both have seen use by the US military.
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Old 05-07-2012, 15:28   #22
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THE ACR or SCAR would be real change. If you want the HK route, just swap the M4 Upper w/the 416 Upper and there you go. That would be the cheapest as well.
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It won't be the ACR, if we do get a new rifle, it'll probably be the SCAR since it's already in service
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HK 416 or ACR. SCAR would injury to many fingers with the charging handle whipping back and forth.

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HK 416 or ACR. SCAR would injury to many fingers with the charging handle whipping back and forth.

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Consider that the SCAR is already in use with various commando outfits...
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