[BigAl at GT]

There is bridge construction near my home. I pulled up to a temporary red light with concrete barriers on each side. There was a guy in front of me in a convertible car. He was carrying on about something, waving his arms and yelling. The light changed, he pulled away, nothing happened. When I pulled in to my driveway, I wondered how difficult it would be to pull from my crossbreed holster at the 4 o'clock position, while in bucket seat, with a seatbelt on... So I unloaded the gun and gave it a try. It's damn near impossible to do gracefully or quickly. Any tips on how to do this successfully?

[X-ray 4N6]

Some comments in this THR thread that could be useful:

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthrea...=560566&page=1

[Arc Angel]

Originally Posted by BigAl at GT

There is bridge construction near my home. I pulled up to a temporary red light with concrete barriers on each side. There was a guy in front of me in a convertible car. He was carrying on about something, waving his arms and yelling. The light changed, he pulled away, nothing happened.

When I pulled in to my driveway, I wondered how difficult it would be to pull from my crossbreed holster at the 4 o'clock position, while in bucket seat, with a seatbelt on ... So I unloaded the gun and gave it a try. It's damn near impossible to do gracefully or quickly. Any tips on how to do this successfully?

Big problem, BigAl!

I worry about this one a lot. Maybe some of my own answers will help you to find yours. In my experience you need to use a synergistic approach to the overall (and diverse) problems of vehicle security. It's not just one thing that you do; it's all of the things you do, when they are taken together, that combine to keep you safe.

(1) Scan the area BEFORE you either enter or exit the vehicle. This means to begin your scan from as far away from the vehicle as possible. Personally, I scan all the way to the vehicle before I get into it. When pulling in to park, I begin to scan from as far away as 100 yards out; and, then, I continue that scan all the way into the parking space, itself. My seat belt is, also, released the moment I begin the parking scan. (If I even think I’m being followed, or actively tailgated) I will NOT attempt to park.)

(2) Over the years I have developed the habit of watching the side and rear view mirrors. One of my uncles owned a large trucking company; and I learned how to drive, 'big rigs' at an early age. This, more than anything else, taught me the importance of always watching the mirrors. It's, now, impossible for me to sit in a vehicle without regularly scanning the mirrors.

(3) Always leave yourself, ‘an out’. Always park with your vehicle’s head in. This way you can use the rear of your vehicle as a battering ram - that will still be drivable - after you’ve banged a blocking vehicle out of the way.

(4) Never pull up immediately behind the vehicle in front of you. Never allow yourself to, ‘inch up’ on the vehicle in front, either. You should always be able to SEE THE TIRES of the vehicle in front of you. If you cannot then you’re too close!

(5) Occasionally breaking the law and regularly driving in the far left-hand lane gives you the advantage of being able to fire a pistol while your right-hand is extended; and, unless there’s a second gunman in the other vehicle’s back seat, forces an attacking driver/gunman to have to fire across his own body while trying to steer his vehicle. (I’m not saying this can’t be done; I’m simply saying that, at someplace like a stop sign or traffic light, it’s going to be more difficult for an attacker to get a clean shot at you.)

(6) NEVER seat belt your cover garment over your sidearm - Never! When I’m wearing a conventional holster I always pull it forward towards my belt buckle as I sit down. In recent years I’ve taken to using an, ‘appendix carry’ as often as possible. Last year I was ready, and actually tried, to spend, ‘big money’ with Kramer Gunleather for holsters with a, ‘reverse cant’; but, after several phone calls to the kid who was running the sales desk I finally became annoyed and gave up. No problem, though. Ultimately Blackhawk’s SERPA paddle holsters came to the rescue. (True, the SERPA can be difficult to conceal, and you’ve got to get used to that button lock; but I go almost everywhere unbloused; I’m retired and, as long as I’m clean, really don’t care how I dress; nor, does it particularly bother me if someone occasionally, ‘makes’ me. So far, though, nobody has.)

(7) While your vehicle is moving do not, ever, remove your sidearm from its holster. Leave your weapon holstered until AFTER you stop. On those rare occasions when I’m parked, waiting, in a, ‘dicey parking lot’ I’ll unbuckle the seat belt, remove my pistol from the holster, and hold it in my hand. (Don’t know exactly, ‘Why’; but these past few years I’ve seen some strange things happen in parking lots. Once I called the State Police; another time someone else did.)

(8) Parking lots can be very dangerous places. I’ve long thought that if something bad is going to happen to a person, it’s going to occur while he’s in active transit and away from home. New events seem to support this opinion.

(9) What’s the vehicle event I worry about most? ……. Road rage, that’s what! Anyone who spends a lot of time on the road is, sooner or later, going to meet one of these guys. I always try to remind myself to: smile, wave, act startled, innocent, and dumb, and - most of all - get out of the other guy’s way as quickly as possible. Yesterday I got tailgated at 75 MPH on the interstate. The schmoo even had his wife and a young child in the car; but, that didn’t stop him from trying to push my vehicle out of the traffic lane. I did the smart thing and moved over for him. He hit 85 or 90 MPH as he went by and, then, disappeared on down the interstate.

(10) Let me ask you something: Do you ever play, ‘What If’ self-defense scenarios with yourself? Our vehicles are usually parked about 35 yards from the front door. I’ve played, ‘What If’ scenarios with myself so many times during this walk that I know ever possible reaction I might have to make and how to do it best - BY HEART! If I were to ever be ambushed, I wouldn’t have to think about what to do. My typical instincts and habitual reactions would do everything for me.

Originally Posted by X-ray 4N6

Some comments in this THR thread that could be useful:

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=560566

Linkie no workie!

[SpringerTGO]

Originally Posted by Arc Angel

Big problem, BigAl!

I worry about this one a lot. Maybe some of my own answers will help you to find yours. In my experience you need to use a synergistic approach to the overall (and diverse) problems of vehicle security. It's not just one thing that you do; it's all of the things you do, when they are taken together, that combine to keep you safe.

(1) Scan the area BEFORE you either enter or exit the vehicle. This means to begin your scan from as far away from the vehicle as possible. Personally, I scan all the way to the vehicle before I get into it. When pulling in to park, I begin to scan from as far away as 100 yards out; and, then, I continue that scan all the way into the parking space, itself. My seat belt is, also, released the moment I begin the parking scan. (If I even think I’m being followed, or actively tailgated) I will NOT attempt to park.)

(2) Over the years I have developed the habit of watching the side and rear view mirrors. One of my uncles owned a large trucking company; and I learned how to drive, 'big rigs' at an early age. This, more than anything else, taught me the importance of always watching the mirrors. It's, now, impossible for me to sit in a vehicle without regularly scanning the mirrors.

(3) Always leave yourself, ‘an out’. Always park with your vehicle’s head in. This way you can use the rear of your vehicle as a battering ram - that will still be drivable - after you’ve banged a blocking vehicle out of the way.

(4) Never pull up immediately behind the vehicle in front of you. Never allow yourself to, ‘inch up’ on the vehicle in front, either. You should always be able to SEE THE TIRES of the vehicle in front of you. If you cannot then you’re too close!

(5) Occasionally breaking the law and regularly driving in the far left-hand lane gives you the advantage of being able to fire a pistol while your right-hand is extended; and, unless there’s a second gunman in the other vehicle’s back seat, forces an attacking driver/gunman to have to fire across his own body while trying to steer his vehicle. (I’m not saying this can’t be done; I’m simply saying that, at someplace like a stop sign or traffic light, it’s going to be more difficult for an attacker to get a clean shot at you.)

(6) NEVER seat belt your cover garment over your sidearm - Never! When I’m wearing a conventional holster I always pull it forward towards my belt buckle as I sit down. In recent years I’ve taken to using an, ‘appendix carry’ as often as possible. Last year I was ready, and actually tried, to spend, ‘big money’ with Kramer Gunleather for holsters with a, ‘reverse cant’; but, after several phone calls to the kid who was running the sales desk I finally became annoyed and gave up. No problem, though. Ultimately Blackhawk’s SERPA paddle holsters came to the rescue. (True, the SERPA can be difficult to conceal, and you’ve got to get used to that button lock; but I go almost everywhere unbloused; I’m retired and, as long as I’m clean, really don’t care how I dress; nor, does it particularly bother me if someone occasionally, ‘makes’ me. So far, though, nobody has.)

(7) While your vehicle is moving do not, ever, remove your sidearm from its holster. Leave your weapon holstered until AFTER you stop. On those rare occasions when I’m parked, waiting, in a, ‘dicey parking lot’ I’ll unbuckle the seat belt, remove my pistol from the holster, and hold it in my hand. (Don’t know exactly, ‘Why’; but these past few years I’ve seen some strange things happen in parking lots. Once I called the State Police; another time someone else did.)

(8) Parking lots can be very dangerous places. I’ve long thought that if something bad is going to happen to a person, it’s going to occur while he’s in active transit and away from home. New events seem to support this opinion.

(9) What’s the vehicle event I worry about most? ……. Road rage, that’s what! Anyone who spends a lot of time on the road is, sooner or later, going to meet one of these guys. I always try to remind myself to: smile, wave, act startled, innocent, and dumb, and - most of all - get out of the other guy’s way as quickly as possible. Yesterday I got tailgated at 75 MPH on the interstate. The schmoo even had his wife and a young child in the car; but, that didn’t stop him from trying to push my vehicle out of the traffic lane. I did the smart thing and moved over for him. He hit 85 or 90 MPH as he went by and, then, disappeared on down the interstate.

(10) Let me ask you something: Do you ever play, ‘What If’ self-defense scenarios with yourself? Our vehicles are usually parked about 35 yards from the front door. I’ve played, ‘What If’ scenarios with myself so many times during this walk that I know ever possible reaction I might have to make and how to do it best - BY HEART! If I were to ever be ambushed, I wouldn’t have to think about what to do. My typical instincts and habitual reactions would do everything for me.



Linkie no workie!

The guy asks about drawing a weapon while seated in a vehicle, and 9 out of 10 of your answers have nothing to do with actually drawing a weapon while seated in a vehicle.

[Arc Angel]

Originally Posted by SpringerTGO

The guy asks about drawing a weapon while seated in a vehicle, and 9 out of 10 of your answers have nothing to do with actually drawing a weapon while seated in a vehicle.

Is there something wrong with your reading comprehension skills? How did you completely miss the opening paragraph? You wasted time and bandwidth requoting everything I wrote; but, obviously, you neither read nor comprehended a single word of it.

Please don't waste anymore of my time, or anyone else's, with such inane and vacuous remarks. It's not my fault if you slept through Reading Comprehension: 101, 102, & 103. You're just going to have to learn how to use the internet, fella. Lots of this stuff you actually have to read before you hit that reply button.

[SpringerTGO]

Originally Posted by Arc Angel

Is there something wrong with your reading comprehension skills? How did you completely miss the opening paragraph? You wasted time and bandwidth requoting everything I wrote; but, obviously, you neither read nor comprehended a single word of it.

Please don't waste anymore of my time, or anyone else's, with such inane and vacuous remarks. It's not my fault if you slept through Reading Comprehension: 101, 102, & 103. You're just going to have to learn how to use the internet, fella. Lots of this stuff you actually have to read before you hit that reply button.

If anyone is lacking reading comprehension skills, you should look in the mirror.
He asked about drawing a weapon while seated in his vehicle...... not for a lesson in martial arts, strategy, or philosophy.

[harleytech]

Set up some kind of holster for your car/truck...
Take it off of yourself when in the vehicle...Draw from the vehicle holster...
Just a thought...

[The Retired Sarge]

Some good information posted here.

Kramer has lost my business too due to the attitude of their call takers. I am going back to High Noon for some horse hide holsters. Recently switched to appendix IWB carry and like it very much for most of my daily carry applications. AIWB carry facilitates easy draw when sitting or seated in a vehicle. I prefer to keep the weapon on body as when things go bad, they really go bad. I would not want to be separated from the vehicle along with my weapon too. Bill

[HK Dan]

And keep the barrel parallel to your thighs when you draw. As Mr Pincus is wont to say "Or you'll shoot yourself in the femoral artery!" Swing your legs away from the muzzle, pull the gun and tip the barrel up parallel to the thighs, then present normally.

Now, for the 4 o'clock thing? If I'm driving I generally pop the gun out and place it under my left thigh, or in a holster I mounted in the center console (using Blackhawk's quick release system)

Dan

[BigAl at GT]

Originally Posted by HK Dan

If I'm driving I generally pop the gun out and place it under my left thigh, or in a holster I mounted in the center console (using Blackhawk's quick release system)

Trade offs... I like this idea, but how to descreetly holster/reholster on exiting/entering the car? If I'm having trouble getting the gun out of the holster in the car, I'll certainily have trouble putting it back in.

Arc Angel, #9, road rage, is my fear. I live in an extremely low crime area of rural central PA, but even I have had a few run ins with road ragers, maybe it's my driving

[Magnum 357]

Wear you gun crossdraw at the 10 o'clock position, you'll see you can draw faster in all situations.

[BigAl at GT]

Originally Posted by Magnum 357

Wear you gun crossdraw at the 10 o'clock position, you'll see you can draw faster in all situations.

I need to get another holster to try this, on my list...

[Arc Angel]

Originally Posted by The Retired Sarge

Some good information posted here.

Know what? I forgot to mention something about keeping your car windows rolled up and your car doors locked! First thing I do when I get inside a car is lock the doors and make sure the windows are all up. These things don't get opened for anyone. I've thought a lot about this, too. I've decided that, if I have to, I'll die where I'm sitting; but the windows stay closed, and the doors remain locked.

Originally Posted by The Retired Sarge

Kramer has lost my business too due to the attitude of their call takers. I am going back to High Noon for some horse hide holsters.

And here I thought I was the only one!

Originally Posted by The Retired Sarge

Recently switched to appendix IWB carry and like it very much for most of my daily carry applications. AIWB carry facilitates easy draw when sitting or seated in a vehicle. I prefer to keep the weapon on body as when things go bad, they really go bad. I would not want to be separated from the vehicle along with my weapon too. Bill

Yeah, appendix carry is a big change for me too; but I like it - Especially in the car. After reading the after-action reports (debriefings) on the FBI's, 'Miami Gunfight' I'm convinced, more than ever, that your pistol should remain on your person for as long as the vehicle is moving.

Originally Posted by HK Dan

And keep the barrel parallel to your thighs when you draw. As Mr Pincus is wont to say "Or you'll shoot yourself in the femoral artery!" Swing your legs away from the muzzle, pull the gun and tip the barrel up parallel to the thighs, then present normally.

Yes, that is very true. Not everyone has an obsessive-compulsive trigger finger in the same way that I do; but, still, I'm going to keep your remarks well in mind. (I usually carry in C-3 anyway!)

Originally Posted by HK Dan

Now, for the 4 o'clock thing? If I'm driving I generally pop the gun out and place it under my left thigh, or in a holster I mounted in the center console (using Blackhawk's quick release system)

No, I've learned not to do that. The console holster might work, though. I, once, heard of a guy who got the drop on a rabid hitchhiker he'd picked up by secreting a small pistol under his thigh before he stopped to pick the fellow up. The moral? Don't pick up hitchhikers.

Originally Posted by BigAl at GT

Trade offs... I like this idea, but how to descreetly holster/reholster on exiting/entering the car? If I'm having trouble getting the gun out of the holster in the car, I'll certainily have trouble putting it back in.

I'm most comfortable and feel more secure when I have direct control of the gun. Whatever happens to my body, the gun goes with me. I was, once, losing consciousness during an ambulance ride. Afraid that I'd pass out and endanger someone, I told the ambulance nurse that I was carrying a gun. She asked me where; I told her; she frisked me, and missed the piece. She went on to tell me, 'Just relax, Sir, you're hallucinating.' 'You don't have any gun!' So, trying to be helpful, I reached behind my back and pulled out the gun - A beautiful little Armoloy-finished German Walther with a Behlert trigger job.

Well, the woman freaked! She began screaming, 'Oh my God, he's got a gun!' 'There's a gun in my ambulance!' So I put it back in the holster, and dutifully passed out until we got to the hospital. When it was time to unload me. A good looking white-haired man in a suit came over to the gurney. He asked me where the gun was. He immediately found it, took it out, and whistled! Then he dropped the magazine, jacked the slide, and caught the ejected round in his support hand. I was impressed! I winked at him and said, 'You've been practicing!'

He replied that he was a retired police detective and had been looking for a German Walther for the past several years. I told him that if I lived, it wasn't for sale; if I didn't, he could talk to the widow. He smiled and replied, 'I promise you I'll take good care of this.' 'When you're ready to leave the hospital come and see me.' As things turned out I got to leave the hospital; and he did, indeed, take very good care of my little Walther.

Originally Posted by BigAl at GT

Arc Angel, #9, road rage, is my fear. I live in an extremely low crime area of rural central PA, but even I have had a few run ins with road ragers, maybe it's my driving

That tailgating incident I related? Interstate Route 80, eastbound, in the vicinity of Stroudsburg, PA.

Originally Posted by BigAl at GT

I need to get another holster to try this, on my list...

Originally Posted by Magnum 357

Wear you gun crossdraw at the 10 o'clock position, you'll see you can draw faster in all situations.

The only problem with a crossdraw is that the rest of the time, when you're not sitting inside a vehicle, it presents your gun's butt to a potential adversary.

[Matthew Courtney]

Originally Posted by Arc Angel

Know what? I forgot to mention something about keeping your car windows rolled up and your car doors locked! First thing I do when I get inside a car is lock the doors and make sure the windows are all up. These things don't get opened for anyone. I've thought a lot about this, too. I've decided that, if I have to, I'll die where I'm sitting; but the windows stay closed, and the doors remain locked.



And here I thought I was the only one!



Yeah, appendix carry is a big change for me too; but I like it - Especially in the car. After reading the after-action reports (debriefings) on the FBI's, 'Miami Gunfight' I'm convinced, more than ever, that your pistol should remain on your person for as long as the vehicle is moving.



Yes, that is very true. Not everyone has an obsessive-compulsive trigger finger in the same way that I do; but, still, I'm going to keep your remarks well in mind. (I usually carry in C-3 anyway!)



No, I've learned not to do that. The console holster might work, though. I, once, heard of a guy who got the drop on a rabid hitchhiker he'd picked up by secreting a small pistol under his thigh before he stopped to pick the fellow up. The moral? Don't pick up hitchhikers.



I'm most comfortable and feel more secure when I have direct control of the gun. Whatever happens to my body, the gun goes with me. I was, once, losing consciousness during an ambulance ride. Afraid that I'd pass out and endanger someone, I told the ambulance nurse that I was carrying a gun. She asked me where; I told her; she frisked me, and missed the piece. She went on to tell me, 'Just relax, Sir, you're hallucinating.' 'You don't have any gun!' So, trying to be helpful, I reached behind my back and pulled out the gun - A beautiful little Armoloy-finished German Walther with a Behlert trigger job.

Well, the woman freaked! She began screaming, 'Oh my God, he's got a gun!' 'There's a gun in my ambulance!' So I put it back in the holster, and dutifully passed out until we got to the hospital. When it was time to unload me. A good looking white-haired man in a suit came over to the gurney. He asked me where the gun was. He immediately found it, took it out, and whistled! Then he dropped the magazine, jacked the slide, and caught the ejected round in his support hand. I was impressed! I winked at him and said, 'You've been practicing!'

He replied that he was a retired police detective and had been looking for a German Walther for the past several years. I told him that if I lived, it wasn't for sale; if I didn't, he could talk to the widow. He smiled and replied, 'I promise you I'll take good care of this.' 'When you're ready to leave the hospital come and see me.' As things turned out I got to leave the hospital; and he did, indeed, take very good care of my little Walther.




That tailgating incident I related? Interstate Route 80, eastbound, in the vicinity of Stroudsburg, PA.





The only problem with a crossdraw is that the rest of the time, when you're not sitting inside a vehicle, it presents your gun's butt to a potential adversary.

I carry two, one on each side. The cross draw pistol is my primary when I am seated, while the one carried on my strong side hip is my primary when I am standing. After I get into my car, before I buckle up, I shift the cross draw forward to 10:30-11:00, where it is accessible. After I unbuckle, before I exit the car, I shift the crossdraw back to 8:30 where it is accessible to me in a calvary style draw, but not to anybody else. Belt loops on some pants had to be moved.

Vest carry, ankle holsters, and shoulder holsters are also alternative carry techniques frequently used by those in the executive protection field who drive while working.

[X-ray 4N6]

Fixed the link:

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthrea...=560566&page=1

[Magnum 357]

Sorry I don't know to post quotes, so I'll do it this way:

Quote posted by Arc Angel: The only problem with a crossdraw is that the rest of the time, when you're not sitting inside a vehicle, it presents your gun's butt to a potential adversary.
Yesterday 14:07

Arc Angel: This way I am FACING the adversary, if you wear it at 4 o'clock somebody can come from behind and get your gun.

[Arc Angel]

Originally Posted by Magnum 357

Sorry I don't know to post quotes, so I'll do it this way:

Arc Angel: This way I am FACING the adversary, if you wear it at 4 o'clock somebody can come from behind and get your gun.

Just hit the quote button on the relevant post BEFORE you do anything else and the other fellow's reply will be quoted. (Like I just did with yours!)

I hear ya; but, this ain't, 'my first rodeo'. If you're right-handed, and your opponent is too, then it's relatively easy for an adversary to grab your crossdraw with his right-hand. All the guy has to do is take one step to your right before he starts the grab. (A left-handed opponent is going to have an even easier time!)

If your pistol is at 4:00 o'clock you have the option of blocking the grab by tucking your elbow over the gun; and, then, you can make an effective reply by pulling your other, 'front left pocket gun'.

I should, perhaps, add that I've had a very great deal of martial arts training. The more I practiced, the more I understood to never, 'front' an opponent. A really good martial artist is going to attack by, 'addressing' your body corners. He wants you to commit; and, once he's able to slide past your shoulders, he's got you!

If, however, the other fellow is wearing a bulletproof vest then he's actually going to want to, 'front' you; and he'll do everything possible to force you to keep your distance. Still, have you ever watched a vested field officer conduct a close interrogation? What does he do? The closer that officer gets to a subject, the more he, 'three-quarters' (or, 'blades') the person - That's an officer who's been attacked at close quarters before! He knows how and where to stand for his best advantage.

These are some of the reasons, 'Why' crossdraw holsters don't work well for police officers - Not even vested police officers. One other thing: What happens when you, 'fade' or, 'blade away' from a gun grabber's hands? With conventional carry you can pull the whole side of your body back without exposing your pistol. However, if you're carrying crossdraw and you try that same weapon-side fade the butt of the pistol remains exposed to both of the grabber's hands.

Crossdraw holsters look cool and are VERY fast; but, up close and personal, they don't work to keep you alive. Quite frankly, appendix carry is quite dicey enough for me. Too bad we don't do all of our fighting from cars or while sitting down. Then it might be an entirely different story.

[OldCurlyWolf]

Originally Posted by BigAl at GT

There is bridge construction near my home. I pulled up to a temporary red light with concrete barriers on each side. There was a guy in front of me in a convertible car. He was carrying on about something, waving his arms and yelling. The light changed, he pulled away, nothing happened. When I pulled in to my driveway, I wondered how difficult it would be to pull from my crossbreed holster at the 4 o'clock position, while in bucket seat, with a seatbelt on... So I unloaded the gun and gave it a try. It's damn near impossible to do gracefully or quickly. Any tips on how to do this successfully?

2 ways

I don't wear mine on my belt while driving. I either have it in a holster wedged between the driver's seat and the adjacent seat or I have it in a holster designed to be attached to the seat belt. Since I wear outside the pants shirts I can conceal in either position.

[barth]

Originally Posted by BigAl at GT

There is bridge construction near my home. I pulled up to a temporary red light with concrete barriers on each side. There was a guy in front of me in a convertible car. He was carrying on about something, waving his arms and yelling. The light changed, he pulled away, nothing happened. When I pulled in to my driveway, I wondered how difficult it would be to pull from my crossbreed holster at the 4 o'clock position, while in bucket seat, with a seatbelt on... So I unloaded the gun and gave it a try. It's damn near impossible to do gracefully or quickly. Any tips on how to do this successfully?

Change to cross draw.

[ImpeachObama]

Tagged.

[VinnieD]

This isn't an issue since I use a shoulder rig. It's a tad unconventional and only really reliably works for big guys with broad shoulders for reliably concealment, but in a car I only have to make sure I don't put the seatbelt in the way.

Though that's not something I recommend for everyone. If you really want to be sure about carjackers and other nasties while seated, consider a dedicated car gun. The real advantage would be you could keep a larger weapon in your car without worry of how to conceal. Anything from a large bore pistol, .410 revolver (a carjacking being one of the few cases where you could be fairly sure you'd be in the effective range of a .410 fired out of a short barrel), to even a carbine like an Uzi, Draco, or pistol configuration AR.

The down side of a dedicated car gun of course is that a gun left in the car is more likely to be stolen, and then you're not only out a gun if your car is broken into, but also you're going to be in for a hassle if that gun is used in a crime. I'd suggest finding some way of securing it against at least quick smash and grabs, and make a habit of unlocking it when you get in and re locking when you get out. A cable style lock would be a start, a mini safe secured to the car's frame even better.

[Jake Starr]

I use a Frontline IWB somewhere around the 430 position. I find that I can draw it just fine even with my seatbelt on, same when I am in uniform from my duty holster. Main concern is that when I first get in I do all my adjusting before I drive off.

And depending on the time of day and where I am, I often practice drawing while driving. And when off duty, I carry my P228 Israeli style in C3 I will pop out the mag and practice racking the slide after I draw....for me the most effective method is the rack it off of the steering wheel. Practice this almost everyday when leaving and arriving home.

Practice makes perfect.

[FFR Spyder GT]

BigAl,

You posted " I wondered how difficult it would be to pull from my crossbreed holster at the 4 o'clock position"

Couple of tips.........

1.) Get rid of the crossbreed holster.

2.) Stop carrying at 4 o'clock.

3.) Practice your draw with your EDC pistol and holster while seated in your car. More than one car? Practice with all of them.

One of the ranges in my area has this situation in one of their IPDA stages.

Spyder

[mlanush]

Originally Posted by FFR Spyder GT

BigAl,

You posted " I wondered how difficult it would be to pull from my crossbreed holster at the 4 o'clock position"

Couple of tips.........

1.) Get rid of the crossbreed holster.

2.) Stop carrying at 4 o'clock.

3.) Practice your draw with your EDC pistol and holster while seated in your car. More than one car? Practice with all of them.

One of the ranges in my area has this situation in one of their IPDA stages.

Spyder

I agree with 1 and 3 but 2 that is bunch of hog-wash

why tell someone to stop carrying there concealed where they find it comfortable, I carry mine 4-430 and have NO issues drawing from CONCEALMENT in the car, that was after lots of practice and taking a class by a professional on how it can be done........

[FFR Spyder GT]

Originally Posted by mlanush

I agree with 1 and 3 but 2 that is bunch of hog-wash

why tell someone to stop carrying there concealed where they find it comfortable, I carry mine 4-430 and have NO issues drawing from CONCEALMENT in the car, that was after lots of practice and taking a class by a professional on how it can be done........

mlanush,

Get a timer like the ones they used at IDPA matches and time your draw from 4-4:30 and from 3:00 or 2:30.

Myself, I'm about .1 seconds faster at 2:30 than I am at 3:00 and another .1 seconds faster than from 4:00.

Same with 3:00 compared to 4-4:30, about .1 seconds faster from the beep to 1st round on target.

Plus you might want to find a new "professional".

Spyder