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Old 04-03-2012, 17:37   #1
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Go All-In 5.45?

I have a SGL31-62 on layaway, and a SGL21-63. I have already sold my 7.62 ammo and mags to find 5.45 mags and ammo.

I am debating if I should drop the 21 and go all-in with the 31, maybe even buying 1 or 2 more this year. I have never shot the 5.45, so I don't know what to expect, but my teen son wants me to buy one for him to have someday.

WWYD?
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Old 04-03-2012, 18:58   #2
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I'd keep the 31.
This is from a guy that has a number of 5.45's.
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Old 04-03-2012, 19:02   #3
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What's your thoughts on the 5.45 AKs
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Old 04-03-2012, 19:13   #4
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What's your thoughts on the 5.45 AKs
Love them,or I wouldn't have so many.
That said I have AK style guns in 8 different calibers,and the
5.45 in the most cost friendly centerfire round your going to find. I run milsulp ammo,but I wash her down after every
outing,as she must be ready for "next time".
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Old 04-03-2012, 19:15   #5
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Love the 5.45

If you get some time take a look at theses links:
THE ARMOR IS STRONG... BUT BULLETS ARE STRONGER - http://izhevsk.club.guns.ru/eng/barnaul.html

A Brief Look at the 5.45x39mm Cartridge - http://www.cruffler.com/Features/OCT...October01.html

5.45x39 Ballistics - http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=261430
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Old 04-03-2012, 20:37   #6
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Love the 5.45

If you get some time take a look at theses links:
THE ARMOR IS STRONG... BUT BULLETS ARE STRONGER - http://izhevsk.club.guns.ru/eng/barnaul.html

A Brief Look at the 5.45x39mm Cartridge - http://www.cruffler.com/Features/OCT...October01.html

5.45x39 Ballistics - http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=261430
Thanks for the reading material. I'm even more curious now.
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Old 04-03-2012, 19:55   #7
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I'd love to get me a SGL31, and surplus 5.45 sure is cheap, (while it lasts).

That said, I prefer 7.62x39, (more effective against both tissue and esp cover), and would never get rid of all my rifles that fire it.

So if I were you, I'd keep the '21.
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I'd love to get me a SGL31, and surplus 5.45 sure is cheap, (while it lasts).

That said, I prefer 7.62x39, (more effective against both tissue and esp cover), and would never get rid of all my rifles that fire it.

So if I were you, I'd keep the '21.
Move up in the world and get a 308
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Old 04-03-2012, 20:43   #9
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Move up in the world and get a 308
Oh, I've a 22"-barrelled Saiga .308 as well.
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Old 04-03-2012, 20:49   #10
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Oh, I've a 22"-barrelled Saiga .308 as well.
So let me ask you - anytime you feel like you were in a sitiuation where you would pick up the 7.62x39 why wouldn't you just pick up the 308?

I'm actually noodling this problem as we speak.
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Old 04-03-2012, 21:22   #11
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So let me ask you - anytime you feel like you were in a sitiuation where you would pick up the 7.62x39 why wouldn't you just pick up the 308?

I'm actually noodling this problem as we speak.
In an urban environment, I'd favor the x39. Also, if I had to hump all my own gear myself for days on end, I'd go with the x39 as it retains a lot of the .308's effectiveness out to a few hundred yards while weighing much less.

In any field position with good visibility, it'd be .308 all the way.

They're different tools for different tasks, but if I'm asked which rifle I'd grab on my way out the door to greet the apocalypse, my answer is always the 7.62x39. ymmv.
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Old 04-03-2012, 21:19   #12
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I have owned AK's for the last 15 years. I have had a couple dozen of them, and shoot them constantly. I swore I would only ever have a 7.62x39mm. Then I got a 5.56 in trade, and loved the way it shot. I decided to give the 5.45 a try.

Now I only own 5.45 AK's. They are typical AK reliable, the mags work in my AR15 mag pouches, recoil is nearly zero, ammo cost is very reasonable, terminal performance and barrier penetration is at least as good as the 5.56, and I shoot just as fast and accurately with my Krebs AK74k as I do with my issued M4 on tactical quals. It won't hit hard at long range, but neither do the 5.56 or the 7.62x39 cartridges. It is as good at 0-300 meter fighting as anything else ever made, and better than most. I have my SCAR 17 for hitting harder and reaching farther, but that is very rarely necessary for anything I do.
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Old 04-17-2012, 21:12   #13
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I had 21,600 rounds of 7n6 5.45 delivered today. It came out to $132 per 1,000 delivered from SG Ammo. That's $2900 for enough ammo to practice hard for a few years. Sold on the 5.45 concept yet?
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Old 04-17-2012, 21:25   #15
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I had 21,600 rounds of 7n6 5.45 delivered today. It came out to $132 per 1,000 delivered from SG Ammo. That's $2900 for enough ammo to practice hard for a few years. Sold on the 5.45 concept yet?
AMEN Brother. That's how I feel. Plus I can't own an AK in 7.62 so that helps with my choice as well.

As far as that purchase goes... Are you an FFL or a civilian who got that delivered to your residence? What did the post man say?

I have two crates on the way and I always get a comment from the guy like "ohh not too heavy today".
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AMEN Brother. That's how I feel. Plus I can't own an AK in 7.62 so that helps with my choice as well.

As far as that purchase goes... Are you an FFL or a civilian who got that delivered to your residence? What did the post man say?

I have two crates on the way and I always get a comment from the guy like "ohh not too heavy today".
I'm just a regular guy, and had it delivered to my home. I went into the last election year with ammo stacked pretty deep, and was able to keep shooting after a lot of guys had run out of practice ammo. Now I'm set for the next four years.

The UPS gal had a pretty good sense of humor about it. She knows I'm in nuclear security and that shooting a lot is part of the job. She also said that a few preppers up the hill keep her a lot busier than I do.
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Old 05-12-2012, 11:38   #17
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Just put 600 rounds through my new Arsenal 74 and I am loving the 5.45!!! Just ordered two more crates of 7n6.
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Just put 600 rounds through my new Arsenal 74 and I am loving the 5.45!!! Just ordered two more crates of 7n6.
Kinda nice to have $139 per thousand practice ammo that is also highly effective fighting ammo. I don't think that can be said of any other rifle caliber right now.
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I bought a 5.56 mini 14 not because i believed in the round (i don't) but because it was a standard and so probably going to be available. I shot the mini 14 once, hated it (hard to mount optics, not accurate. no parts, expensive magazines and hard to strip). Then decided i wanted an AR weapon since i always had so why not do it now. I traded it for a loss for $250 and couldn't be happier.

Then i got the AK bug and bought two WASR's. Both in 7.62.

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Again, a common round in the USA. I like them both too. They're diamonds in the rough, get one without major flaws (canted sights are uncommon now) and they are about as good as any AK you can buy. My last one has 1500 rounds with no malfunctions. (Unlike the Stag).

Anyway, i like to stick with common calibers. To me buying ammo is not like buying cigarettes where one's just like another. I want a common caliber (all my handguns are 9mm) and i see no advantage to owning a 5.45 except the cheap corrosive ammo (which is rapidly disappearing).

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