Blocked and Guarded Roadways?

flynnstone · 03-28-2012, 16:23

I've heard from several reliable sources within LE and the National Guard, that should some sort of major event take place, the major roadways out of the cities will be blocked and guarded within 90 minutes. Supposedly, routine exercises are held to meet this timeline.

Anyone else heard of this?

Dexters · 03-28-2012, 16:26

What did the reliable source say when you asked him/her as to why they would want to do that?

flynnstone · 03-28-2012, 16:35

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What did the reliable source say when you asked him/her as to why they would want to do that?

In order to keep the general population controlled within specific areas, and so that militia/other groups cannot form outside of the cities.

Dexters · 03-28-2012, 16:44

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In order to keep the general population controlled within specific areas,

That is what closing the roadways would do, it isn't the why. Why would they want to do it?

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Originally Posted by flynnstone

and so that militia/other groups cannot form outside of the cities.

Is the above the only purpose you were given by your sources?

bug · 03-28-2012, 16:35

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Originally Posted by flynnstone

I've heard from several reliable sources within LE and the National Guard, that should some sort of major event take place, the major roadways out of the cities will be blocked and guarded within 90 minutes. Supposedly, routine exercises are held to meet this timeline.

Anyone else heard of this?

Where are they going to get the manpower in a event like that?

Even a small city like Akron Ohio near my home would be a nightmare to close off all the major roads in and out of it....

It would likely take the entire APD shift that on duty to pull that off and i am willing to bet they will be busy with other things.

cyrsequipment · 03-28-2012, 16:45

You need better sources. That is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. Do you have any idea how many roads go in and out of even the tiniest city. It would take an entire army to secure one town, and then they would ignore any city around it.

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flynnstone · 03-28-2012, 16:52

I didnt sit down and question all of the reasons why this would be done, i'm simply passing along what ive heard and asked if anyone else has heard of this.

Sure, those who are prepared can plan alternate routes out of town, but the majority of people in this country are not prepared.

Use Phoenix AZ as an example. Those who are trying to get out of town are going to leverage 4-5 of the most widely driven highways, not the unpaved roads.

Dexters · 03-28-2012, 17:11

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I didnt sit down and question all of the reasons why this would be done, i'm simply passing along what ive heard and asked if anyone else has heard of this.

I can understand that with the first source. But, I think after thinking about it you would ask the next of the 'several' sources you spoke with.

What did they tell you - don't hold back - we can handle it.

Dexters · 03-28-2012, 17:06

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Originally Posted by cyrsequipment

You need better sources. That is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. Do you have any idea how many roads go in and out of even the tiniest city. It would take an entire army to secure one town, and then they would ignore any city around it.

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Let's give Flynnstone a chance. We might be able to learn something from him.

Have you ever seen the movie 'The Crazies'? Rumor has it that it is based on a true event that happened in the '40's or 50s. The government did surround that town. Reliable sources say it happened in Florida somewhere between Exit 193 (Yeehaw Junction) to Exit 242 (Kissimmee/St.Cloud) on the Fla. Turnpike, it is 48.9 miles between exits - the longest stretch of highway between exists in the USA!

John Rambo · 03-29-2012, 09:37

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Originally Posted by Dexters

Let's give Flynnstone a chance. We might be able to learn something from him.

Have you ever seen the movie 'The Crazies'? Rumor has it that it is based on a true event that happened in the '40's or 50s. The government did surround that town. Reliable sources say it happened in Florida somewhere between Exit 193 (Yeehaw Junction) to Exit 242 (Kissimmee/St.Cloud) on the Fla. Turnpike, it is 48.9 miles between exits - the longest stretch of highway between exists in the USA!

Any idea what city? Theres absolutely nothing at Yeehaw Junction in the way of a 'town' in 2012, I can only imagine in the 40s/50s.

For future reference, if you drive through Yeehaw Junction, you're required to take a picture and post it somewhere with the caption YEEHAW! Facebook, Glocktalk, wherever. But its the law.

Dexters · 03-29-2012, 12:41

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Any idea what city? Theres absolutely nothing at Yeehaw Junction in the way of a 'town' in 2012, I can only imagine in the 40s/50s.

For future reference, if you drive through Yeehaw Junction, you're required to take a picture and post it somewhere with the caption YEEHAW! Facebook, Glocktalk, wherever. But its the law.

Well since, BDCochran went all reasonable and such; I'll fess up - I made it up.

But, it sounded good. Didn't it?

I think the OP made up his story also.

gh0st614 · 03-31-2012, 20:07

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Originally Posted by cyrsequipment

You need better sources. That is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. Do you have any idea how many roads go in and out of even the tiniest city. It would take an entire army to secure one town, and then they would ignore any city around it.

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I dunno in alot of situations where they would want to 'quarantine' a city I think they would have no problem blocking the entrances and exits. But you would just get off the road and travel in small groups and you should have no problems leaving, if there was a reason they did quarantine a whole city Im sure they would be flying tons of UAV's and choppers and the whole lot in the airspace looking for people getting out. The only thing I can think of is some insane crazy virus. I cant think of any other reason to 'quarantine' a city. If it was a teotwawki situation there is no way they could block off every city. Just not possible and I dont think our military would honor those orders anyways.

smokeross · 03-28-2012, 16:52

I'm going to dig up the road to my 'compound' with heavy equipment to keep those guys OUT.

78tsubaki · 03-28-2012, 19:54

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I'm going to dig up the road to my 'compound' with heavy equipment to keep those guys OUT.

yup, already thought about this too.

SFCSMITH(RET) · 03-28-2012, 17:07

Lets take the Atlanta metro area..

Over 5.5 MILLION people, in an area the size of Delaware.. with THOUSANDS of roads in and out..

To effectively operate 1 roadblock in a metro area, you need 3 squads, or about 21 troops and equipment. So lets just say.. 3000 roads. I am sure it's way more than that.. but we will use that.. So that's 63,000 troops pulling roadblock duty and those guys and gals all need logistic support.. That runs about 3 troops per deployed troop..

Or 189,000 additional troops So we have 250k troops holding things down in Atlanta..

How big is our armed forces?

And we have how many cities???

***RWBlue*** · 03-28-2012, 17:08

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Originally Posted by flynnstone

I've heard from several reliable sources within LE and the National Guard, that should some sort of major event take place, the major roadways out of the cities will be blocked and guarded within 90 minutes. Supposedly, routine exercises are held to meet this timeline.

Anyone else heard of this?

Define major event?

If I were a betting person, when they say major event they are talking about an Oklahoma City bombing event. Where they have some clue as to who they want to capture.

The idea of bottling up even a small city would be nearly impossible and generally stupid. Lets assume that there is an NBC attack, are the police equipped to stand their ground? No. Will they want to protect their families? Yes.

Trust me, it ain't gonna happen for an NBC attack. Now a terrorist bombing.....yea...and they will be doing amber alerts.

***Sam Spade*** · 03-28-2012, 18:00

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Originally Posted by flynnstone

I've heard from several reliable sources within LE and the National Guard, that should some sort of major event take place, the major roadways out of the cities will be blocked and guarded within 90 minutes. Supposedly, routine exercises are held to meet this timeline.

Anyone else heard of this?

Either your leg has been pulled or they're on crack.

First, ask yourself if you've ever seen one of these exercises around any major city you're familiar with.

Second, I can't even get a local SWAT team out of their jammies and into briefing on a callout in under 2 hours. Recalling a roster of NG troops (who have regular jobs, and may live some distance from the flagpole), equipping them, briefing them and deploying them from the armories to encircle (insert city of your choice) in 90 minutes? It is to laugh. Compare to the 82nd Airborne's Ready Brigade, which takes 18 hours to go wheels-up, with their stuff already packaged and their troops on standby with no outside commitments.

But anyway, you can now recalibrate your "reliable" list.

MoneyMaker · 03-30-2012, 05:25

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Originally Posted by Sam Spade

Either your leg has been pulled or they're on crack.

First, ask yourself if you've ever seen one of these exercises around any major city you're familiar with.

Second, I can't even get a local SWAT team out of their jammies and into briefing on a callout in under 2 hours. Recalling a roster of NG troops (who have regular jobs, and may live some distance from the flagpole), equipping them, briefing them and deploying them from the armories to encircle (insert city of your choice) in 90 minutes? It is to laugh. Compare to the 82nd Airborne's Ready Brigade, which takes 18 hours to go wheels-up, with their stuff already packaged and their troops on standby with no outside commitments.

But anyway, you can now recalibrate your "reliable" list.

Sam how do you know this person is on CRACK?Have you investigated this person and done a drug test on this individual?Pretty large statement coming from one like yourself without 1st hand facts!!

cyrsequipment · 03-30-2012, 05:44

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Sam how do you know this person is on CRACK?Have you investigated this person and done a drug test on this individual?Pretty large statement coming from one like yourself without 1st hand facts!!

Ah, the moral crusader rides again.

The only cliche' statement that you didn't use in your little rant was "Hate Speech"...

I'll assume that you live under a rock and missed the fact that what Sam said is a commonly used figure of speech, sheesh.

MoneyMaker · 03-30-2012, 05:52

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Originally Posted by cyrsequipment

Ah, the moral crusader rides again.

The only cliche' statement that you didn't use in your little rant was "Hate Speech"...

I'll assume that you live under a rock and missed the fact that what Sam said is a commonly used figure of speech, sheesh.

Yes but if i stated they was crackheads all of you Lemmings would have jumped all over me when either RussP or Sam decided to throw me under the bus

cyrsequipment · 03-30-2012, 06:05

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Yes but if i stated they was crackheads all of you Lemmings would have jumped all over me when either RussP or Sam decided to throw me under the bus

What the heck are you talkin about?

Who is the "they" you are referring to?

racerford · 03-30-2012, 08:25

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Originally Posted by MoneyMaker

Yes but if i stated they was crackheads all of you Lemmings would have jumped all over me when either RussP or Sam decided to throw me under the bus

The difference is SamSpade has established himself as making well reasoned posts.

He also was using a figure of speech to make a point. He does not believe they were on crack, as any intelligent, loogical person can read that Sam believes the person was pulling the OP's leg. By the way, that is also a figure of speech, he doesn't believe they were acuallypulling on the OP's leg, but rather making an outlandish or ill-informed statement not based on facts.

Also, I see you also used a figure of speech that you did not mean literally. Or are you accusing that Sam or Russ would travel to your unknown location and bodily pick you up and throw you under a bus? If so you have made a very strong accusation

beatcop · 03-28-2012, 18:19

Can't say that I have heard from either source. There are diversion plans in the event of Nuke reactor issues, etc, but nothing of which you speak. I suspect you will need new pants...one leg has been pulled.

bdcochran · 03-28-2012, 18:23

you can now recalibrate your "reliable" list

A big plus one.

dissthis · 03-28-2012, 19:50

And where would they set up the road blocks? At the city limit? Using the Atl example above; since I live just outside of Atl....would they keep everyone contained in the city? The further out they would need expentaly more people.

If they kept the people that live in the city there and let the people that work there and live in the burs out that would be ok by me!