[Kingarthurhk]

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/03/19...-is-desperate/

Notice, Atheists don't protest Mosques, Synagogues, or Bhuddist temples.

I wonder why?

[Dalton Wayne]

First off we don't oppose it we just don't buy it

[Kingarthurhk]

Originally Posted by Dalton Wayne

First off we don't oppose it we just don't buy it

Try reading the link. Then get back to me.

[ArtificialGrape]

Originally Posted by Kingarthurhk

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/03/19...-is-desperate/

Notice, Atheists don't protest Mosques, Synagogues, or Bhuddist temples.

I wonder why?

The atheists in the article were not protesting a church, so why are you comparing 2 guys hosing down a section of highway to protesting a mosque, synagogue or temple?

The story said that there were only 2 atheists present. How do do extrapolate the action of 2 atheists at 1 event into "atheists only oppose Christianity"? Seems a bit of a stretch -- imagine my shock.

Heres an article about billboards that the American Atheists took out directed at US Muslims calling Islam a myth.
http://www.shafaqna.com/english/shaf...s-muslims.html

Do you even attempt to display a bit of integrity in your posts?

-ArtificialGrape

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Originally Posted by ArtificialGrape

Heres an article about billboards that the American Atheists took out directed at US Muslims calling Islam a myth.
http://www.shafaqna.com/english/shaf...s-muslims.html

I note that the conversation has veered away from the premise of the original post and that no believer has actually acknowledged this fine bit of counterexample.

Here's another counterexample: Ray Comfort telling atheists to "confine the mockery to Christianity" because Islam is apparently too dangerous: http://raycomfortfood.blogspot.com/2...re-advice.html

Now why would he say that if there weren't atheists that were opposing Islam?

(I suppose that if those atheists had listened, it would play into attempts to accuse them of only opposing Christianity)

[Keyhole]

We don't. All religions are ridiculous.

[JBnTX]

Originally Posted by Keyhole

We don't. All religions are ridiculous.

What if you're wrong?

You believe all religions are ridiculous.
You can't possibly know for sure.

Ever been wrong before?

[ChuteTheMall]

Why would athiests waste their time fighting false religions?

[ArtificialGrape]

Originally Posted by ChuteTheMall

Why would athiests waste their time fighting false religions?

Why would a Christian that considers Islam to be a false religion spend any time opposing it?

[ArtificialGrape]

Originally Posted by JBnTX

What if you're wrong?

You believe all religions are ridiculous.
You can't possibly know for sure.

Ever been wrong before?

Flaws in Pascal's Wager were recently discussed.

-ArtificialGrape

[English]

Originally Posted by ArtificialGrape

Flaws in Pascal's Wager were recently discussed.

-ArtificialGrape

Is pascal's Wager the one that says you will never loose money by consistently betting on the stupidity of the majority?

English

[eracer]

Originally Posted by English

Is pascal's Wager the one that says you will never loose money by consistently betting on the stupidity of the majority?

English

I think it's the one that says: "I'll gladly pay you Tuesday, for a hamburger today..."

[muscogee]

Originally Posted by JBnTX

What if you're wrong?

You believe all religions are ridiculous.
You can't possibly know for sure.

Ever been wrong before?

Oh no, not Pascal's Wager again. What if you're wrong? You've wasted the one life you have wasting your time and money promoting a lie. What if the Muslims are right? What if the Hare Krishna are right?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZrerzcnTXU&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZrerzcnTXU&feature=related

[Bren]

Originally Posted by JBnTX

What if you're wrong?

You believe all religions are ridiculous.
You can't possibly know for sure.

Ever been wrong before?

As they said, Pascal's wager.

I believe all religions are ridiculous, because they are not supported by evidence.

You believe all of them but 1 are ridiculous. Your chances of being right are not much better than an atheist.

The biggest flaw in "Pascal's wager," as I see it, is that it pretends the choices are "christian or atheist" so in a fictional world with only 1 religion, it would be a valid statement of a philosophical issue, if nothing else. Pascal ignored the fact that his religion is one of many, so the choices are not "yes or no" to christianity. In short - it's only a valid "wager" with 50/50 odds from a christian point of view - otherwise, it's more like a roulette wheel with hundreds of extra numbers.

[JBnTX]

Originally Posted by Bren

As they said, Pascal's wager.

I believe all religions are ridiculous, because they are not supported by evidence.

Forget about Pascal's wager and everything written by man,
including the Torah, Koran and the Bible.

What if there IS a God and you're wrong in your belief?

An intelligent man must look at it from ALL angles, and even
consider that he might be wrong.

Now, I ask again.
What if you're wrong?

[muscogee]

Originally Posted by JBnTX

Forget about Pascal's wager and everything written by man,
including the Torah, Koran and the Bible.

What if there IS a God and you're wrong in your belief?

An intelligent man must look at it from ALL angles, and even
consider that he might be wrong.

Now, I ask again.
What if you're wrong?

Forget the counterarguments and let you frame the argument any way you want to? That's not how logic works. You don't get to do that.

If there is a god and he/she/its wants me to know about him/her/it, then one would expect that god to give some tangible evidence about his/her/its existence and some clear consistent idea of what he/she/it expects from us. Baring that, the only rational conclusion is that gods exist only in peoples' imaginations.

[Altaris]

Originally Posted by JBnTX

Forget about Pascal's wager and everything written by man,
including the Torah, Koran and the Bible.

What if there IS a God and you're wrong in your belief?

An intelligent man must look at it from ALL angles, and even
consider that he might be wrong.

Now, I ask again.
What if you're wrong?

If I am to ignore stuff written by man, which god should I pray to then? Won't it be mad if I randomly pick the wrong one? Should I just make one up in my head to pray to?
Not to mention, if it is an omnipotent being, wouldn't it be able to see through my ruse that I was just praying based on a bet?

[Geko45]

First you say:

Originally Posted by JBnTX

Forget about Pascal's wager

But then you immediately say:

What if there IS a God and you're wrong in your belief?

An intelligent man must look at it from ALL angles, and even
consider that he might be wrong.

Now, I ask again.
What if you're wrong?

This is Pascal's wager??? You did know that, right?

Ok, nevermind that, I'll answer anyway. Any god that would judge me lacking based on such flimsy and absurd teachings as those contained in the bible would have to represent a childlish, capricious and petty entity. Such an entity would not be worthy of my worship even if they were omnipotent, omniscient, and eternal.

Might does not make right. What the bible teaches is largely useless and sometimes down right destructive. It's backward from the bottom up. Even if it were entirely and completely true, I would not follow it. Consequences be damned (along with me).

[Bren]

Originally Posted by JBnTX

Forget about Pascal's wager and everything written by man,
including the Torah, Koran and the Bible.

What if there IS a God and you're wrong in your belief?

That IS Pascal's wager - it is better to believe in God, because the consequences of being wrong are much higher if you disbelieve than if you believe.

As I said, that approach assumes the only choices are 1 particular religion, or disbelief. That is the most obvious flaw.

Really, the choice of: What if there IS a God and you're wrong in your belief, but you don't believe?(as an atheist)

Is exactly the same as:
What if there IS a Shiva, Odin or Chukwu, but you believe in the christian God? What if the muslims or the Jews have it right, but you're a Baptist?

An intelligent man must look at it from ALL angles, and even
consider that he might be wrong.

Now, I ask again.
What if you're wrong?

Is it even necessary to ask again, what if you're wrong? Marduk isn't going to take that very well.

[ksg0245]

Originally Posted by JBnTX

Forget about Pascal's wager and everything written by man,
including the Torah, Koran and the Bible.

Okey doke.

Originally Posted by JBnTX

What if there IS a God and you're wrong in your belief?

Then we're wrong. Which deity or deities are we wrong about? All of them? One or more? One which hasn't been identified yet? How do we determine which deity or deities actually exists, and once that's accomplished, how do we reliably determine what its motivations are?

Originally Posted by JBnTX

An intelligent man must look at it from ALL angles, and even consider that he might be wrong.

Sure. Intelligent people also look at stuff like evidence (or lack thereof) and logic (or lack thereof) before reaching conclusions.

Originally Posted by JBnTX

Now, I ask again.
What if you're wrong?

About what, exactly? There's no actual evidence of any deity; there are merely assertions. How many unsupported assertions do you accept as true?

[Gunhaver]

Originally Posted by JBnTX

What if you're wrong?

You believe all religions are ridiculous.
You can't possibly know for sure.

Ever been wrong before?

I believe that dragons aren't real but can't prove they aren't. Is it foolish of me to walk outside without a full suit of armor on, having that armor encumber my every move in life "just in case"?

And even if I did wear the armor, what if I'm wrong and it's actually the acid spitting aliens that are real and I should have carried a plasma rifle instead? Lots of imaginary crap to worry about in this world if one is foolish enough to take that stuff seriously.

You really don't get it that we think your god and all others are one hundred percent made up BS do you? Every argument you can possibly make you can substitute the word pixie or Santa for god and it is just as valid to us.

[Geko45]

Originally Posted by Kingarthurhk

Why do Atheists only oppose Christianity?

If it makes you feel any better, I think all religions are a self-induced delusions. Heck, some are even more delusional than christianity. Why do I spend more time arguing against christianity than the others? Because it is the dominant religion in this country and the one that most directly limits my personal freedoms. A lot of you believers even go so far as to claim that this is a christian country and laws should be written according to christian principles.

[Gunhaver]

I think you're thinking of wackaloon liberals. Some of them are atheists just like some wackaloon conservatives are Christians.

I don't look so much at the denomination as the level of insanity.

But it's cool if I put you in the same camp as Christians who bomb abortion clinics, wear magic underwear and mutilate their own flesh right? I mean, they do call themselves Christians.

[ksg0245]

Originally Posted by Gunhaver

I think you're thinking of wackaloon liberals. Some of them are atheists just like some wackaloon conservatives are Christians.

I don't look so much at the denomination as the level of insanity.

But it's cool if I put you in the same camp as Christians who bomb abortion clinics, wear magic underwear and mutilate their own flesh right? I mean, they do call themselves Christians.

Don't forget that amusing group harassing mourners at funerals.

[mingaa]

Oh-puleeze!!

*yawn*