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Old 02-15-2012, 00:22   #1
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SPRINGFIELD!?! how could you?!?

As some of you may know i am looking to swap my Glock model 20 (generation 3) for a cheap 1911. Well i picked out the exact model i have in mind, a Springfield armory 5" G.I 1911. I picked this model because it has excellent reviews, no frills and represents as close to john brownings original design as most of us want to get. I love it, none of my local shops have any in stock (except one 23min away but in a different state, so thats not going to happen; stupid law in my opinion). so i tried online gun shops, none have this model in stock. this caught my curiosity, so i went to springfield armory's website and the G.I is not even present on their website! so i am guessing that they discontinued the G.I, this is outrageous, their cheapest model is now not being produced. The prices of the close brethren (the Mil-spec) is about $680 new and exceeds the value (and price NIB of my G20) so that is not an option. So tomorrow i am going to call every single gun shop i can find in the phone book with my area code and see if anyone has a G.I

some people might say why not go with a Rock island?
-well their frames are cast, not quite as strong as forged frames, and the quality is reportedly not as good as the springers. also i am one hundred percent sure that Rock Island armory doesnt have half the customer service or warranty the Springfield has.

others may ask why i want to trade my reliable big-bore tupperware pistol
-long story, just has to be done

So can anyone confirm that the GI was discontinued? what are your thoughts?

and if anyone out there knows of a hiding GI (like a poor jew hiding from the gestapo, except i am the gestapo and i dont intend to mistreat it) in the cincinnati area i would greatly appreciate the heads up.
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Old 02-15-2012, 03:33   #2
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They are NOT discontinuing the GI model.
They ARE back ordered sooooooo deep, Soringer pulled the GI from the listings on the website.
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Old 02-15-2012, 06:23   #3
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They are NOT discontinuing the GI model.
They ARE back ordered sooooooo deep, Soringer pulled the GI from the listings on the website.
Exactly
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Old 02-15-2012, 06:25   #4
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As some of you may know i am looking to swap my Glock model 20 (generation 3) for a cheap 1911. Well i picked out the exact model i have in mind, a Springfield armory 5" G.I 1911. I picked this model because it has excellent reviews, no frills and represents as close to john brownings original design as most of us want to get. I love it, none of my local shops have any in stock (except one 23min away but in a different state, so thats not going to happen; stupid law in my opinion). so i tried online gun shops, none have this model in stock. this caught my curiosity, so i went to springfield armory's website and the G.I is not even present on their website! so i am guessing that they discontinued the G.I, this is outrageous, their cheapest model is now not being produced. The prices of the close brethren (the Mil-spec) is about $680 new and exceeds the value (and price NIB of my G20) so that is not an option. So tomorrow i am going to call every single gun shop i can find in the phone book with my area code and see if anyone has a G.I

some people might say why not go with a Rock island?
-well their frames are cast, not quite as strong as forged frames, and the quality is reportedly not as good as the springers. also i am one hundred percent sure that Rock Island armory doesnt have half the customer service or warranty the Springfield has.

others may ask why i want to trade my reliable big-bore tupperware pistol
-long story, just has to be done

So can anyone confirm that the GI was discontinued? what are your thoughts?

and if anyone out there knows of a hiding GI (like a poor jew hiding from the gestapo, except i am the gestapo and i dont intend to mistreat it) in the cincinnati area i would greatly appreciate the heads up.

I'd sell your Glock outright and find a GI on Gunbroker.
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Old 02-15-2012, 08:16   #5
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Being back ordered is the story they're giving people. I have word that IMBEL wants a pay raise because they see what Springfield is selling them for. I also heard that Springfield is possibly tooling up to make them in the US.

On TOS i believe there was a guy that was told that the back orders for the GI would be cancelled at the end of 2011.
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Being back ordered is the story they're giving people. I have word that IMBEL wants a pay raise because they see what Springfield is selling them for. I also heard that Springfield is possibly tooling up to make them in the US.

On TOS i believe there was a guy that was told that the back orders for the GI would be cancelled at the end of 2011.
Wow, very interesting.

Why would that be exclusive to just the GI though?
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Wow, very interesting.

Why would that be exclusive to just the GI though?
My guess that it's because the GI is the only model that was only made by IMBEL, the others are split between the 2 locations.
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My guess that it's because the GI is the only model that was only made by IMBEL, the others are split between the 2 locations.
Makes sense
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Old 02-18-2012, 22:20   #9
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My guess that it's because the GI is the only model that was only made by IMBEL, the others are split between the 2 locations.
I prefer the US made ones anyways. Hopefully they start making them exclusively in the US.
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Old 02-15-2012, 18:05   #10
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Being back ordered is the story they're giving people. I have word that IMBEL wants a pay raise because they see what Springfield is selling them for. I also heard that Springfield is possibly tooling up to make them in the US.
Would not surprise me at all. I don't know what Springfield is paying the Brazilians, but I'm guessing it's nowhere near what they're charging. Same with the XD and the Croatians.
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Thanks for the updated info Quack!
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Old 02-16-2012, 03:07   #12
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I also heard that Springfield is possibly tooling up to make them in the US.
That would be great, I've wanted a pro rail for years but cannot buy a brazilian1911
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That would be great, I've wanted a pro rail for years but cannot buy a brazilian1911
the pro/pro operator are not brazillian 1911's.
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the pro/pro operator are not brazillian 1911's.
Sorry to burst your bubble but they are. I've spoken to the woman who runs the custom shop (Deb) and every slide/frame they make no matter how high end the gun is, is ordered from imbel in Brazil.
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Sorry to burst your bubble but they are. I've spoken to the woman who runs the custom shop (Deb) and every slide/frame they make no matter how high end the gun is, is ordered from imbel in Brazil.
Yes, the forgings come from IMBEL, but you'd be surprised how many other 1911's start with Korean forgings.
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the pro/pro operator are not brazillian 1911's.
All SA 1911s are Brazillian. Springfield Armory is a company in name only these days and does not 'produce' any products. But rather they assemble firearms from subcontracted components.
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All SA 1911s are Brazillian. Springfield Armory is a company in name only these days and does not 'produce' any products. But rather they assemble firearms from subcontracted components.
Thats such a buzz kill, yeah and they bought the company that made the HS200 (XD) and now market the pistol under their name. What about springfield's M1A's? are those made in Brazil as well? i have no problem owning a handgun or firearm from brazil. Im sure they do something right over there. Honestly i trust the guys at Imbel alot more than the guys over at Armscor in the philipines. Im pretty sure the only current (unexpensive) 1911's that are produced/manufactured in America are the Auto Ordnance (Kahr arms) guns. and they get very mixed reviews
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well...IF Imbel raises the stakes to get more money, Springfield might respond with "we'll source frames from another vendor and finish them ourselves."...just speculation on my part of course...but may provide the impetus...

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well...IF Imbel raises the stakes to get more money, Springfield might respond with "we'll source frames from another vendor and finish them ourselves."...just speculation on my part of course...but may provide the impetus...

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I can't see Springfield accepting a lower margin, and I don't know who has experience and expertise forging 1911's that's going to do it cheaper than the Brazilians, so I'd suspect a price increase is in the works no matter what.
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I can't see Springfield accepting a lower margin, and I don't know who has experience and expertise forging 1911's that's going to do it cheaper than the Brazilians, so I'd suspect a price increase is in the works no matter what.
I wonder why they finish any of the less expensive models in Geneseo then (unless it was merely to increase output)...but I suspect a price increase too...

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