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Old 10-01-2011, 23:06   #1
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165 Gold Dot

Can someone please help me out with some good load data for a 165 grain Gold Dot.

I currently have some Blue Dot, and some IMR 800-X. I plan to pick up some # 9, or Longshot soon as well. If there is another powder that shines with this bullet I would really appreciate the info.

I haven't really been able to find much info for this particular weight.

I am using a Glock 20 SF with a 5.15" Lone Wolf barrel.

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Old 10-02-2011, 00:03   #2
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For work we carry 230 grain Gold Dot. Off duty I carry 185 grain. Hope this helps some
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Old 10-02-2011, 09:34   #3
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CAUTION!!!!
This load was worked up in my G20SF/stock gun and works well for me. I would start at 9.0gr and work up from there.

I can only help with IMR 800-X powder.
165gr GD
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Powder IMR 800-X 9.5gr
Primer CCI #300 LPP

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This load was worked up in my G20SF/stock gun and works well. I would start at 9.0gr and work up from there.

Auto Comp may work also, it works well with 165gr bullets in 40 S&W. No data that I know for this loading.
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Can someone please help me out with some good load data for a 165 grain Gold Dot.

I currently have some Blue Dot, and some IMR 800-X. I plan to pick up some # 9, or Longshot soon as well. If there is another powder that shines with this bullet I would really appreciate the info.

I haven't really been able to find much info for this particular weight.
My Lyman Reloading Handbook, #49 lists loads for a 165 grain TMJ for the following powders: Titegroup, Win 231, Zip, Universal, Unique, N340, WSF, Power Pistol, True Blue, 800X, HS-6, AA#7, Blue Dot, AA#9

For 800X, the lightest load listed is 8.3 grains @ 1133 fps (21,600 c.u.p.)
the maximum 800X load listed is 9.3 grains @ 1266 fps (28,900 c.u.p.)

For Blue Dot, the lightest load listed is 9.1 grains @ 1087 fps (20,900 c.u.p.)
the maximum Blue Dot load listed is 10.2 grains @ 1230 fps (27,400 c.u.p.)

I'd highly recommend sticking to published load data.
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Old 10-02-2011, 14:05   #5
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All of the load data below uses CCI 300 primers and a COAL of 1.260". Anything different will change the data.

With the 165gr Gold Dot, I would use 800-X. It will make an AWESOME carry load. I have gone as high as 11.4gr 800-X with my G29's stock barrel with no pressure signs. At 11.2gr 800-X, I got an average velocity of 1367fps. At that velocity, they are starting to over expand. At 1325-1350fps, the bullet will look like this:

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With your Lone Wolf barrel, I'm sure you could get it up to about 1450fps or more using 11.2gr 800-X, but I would try to keep the velocity to under 1400fps. At that velocity, it should hold together, and expand perfectly. I'm thinking something around 10.5gr or so would be best with that barrel. I think 11.2gr would be a safe maximum.

By the way, 800-X seems to have a sweet spot when used with 165gr bullets. I've gotten more power out of the 165gr/800-X combination than with anything else. Also, don't forget I used a short G29 barrel. Work up to these levels in your longer barrel.

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Old 10-02-2011, 20:04   #6
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I could just use some 165 gr. Gold Dots. Don't know where I could get some do you????
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Old 10-03-2011, 00:00   #7
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I got mine at a place called " Guns, Fishing, And Other Stuff " in Vacaville, California. They have a website (not a very good one IMO) www.gunsfishing.com

197 Butcher Rd
Vacaville, CA 95687
(707) 451-1199

They have an indoor range downstairs where the reloading gear is as well. The 165 Gold Dots were $26 for 100. I have no idea if they do any mail order shipping.

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Old 10-28-2011, 12:28   #8
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I could just use some 165 gr. Gold Dots. Don't know where I could get some do you????
I just ordered 2 boxes at graf and sons for 25.95 a box Just FYI if someone is looking for them. 180 gd out out of stock though

EDIT:ordered at 1pm and they already shipped them out Thats fast service
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10.0 gr power pistol is max load listed on alliant website. I use it behind 165 gr Golden Sabers my Chrono results are 1395 ft/sec 1.255 AOL and CCI 350 LPM. Alliant data is with 165 Gold Dots 1314 ft/sec. I have shot hundreds of my loads in G20sf and G29sf . I would recomend starting with 9.4 gr and work up. I dont trust 800x because of spikes and can be inconsistant. Longshot is another possibility but did not get the results that power pistol gave me with this bullet weight.
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Can someone please help me out with some good load data for a 165 grain Gold Dot.

I currently have some Blue Dot, and some IMR 800-X. I plan to pick up some # 9, or Longshot soon as well. If there is another powder that shines with this bullet I would really appreciate the info.

I haven't really been able to find much info for this particular weight.

I am using a Glock 20 SF with a 5.15" Lone Wolf barrel.

Thanks.
If you are picking up A9, a bit less than max charge of 15.2 gr (CCI 350 primer) runs 1335 fps in my 4.6 barrel. That is a really nice handling load with sufficient pop. It is a good speed for this bullet too. Plenty of expansion and weight retention. It is my current carry load. A max charge of 15.5 gr has zero issues with pressure, but I settled on 15.2 because it handles better overall.

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Old 11-10-2011, 00:20   #11
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NOT for G20 stock barrel, these loads below are safe only in my IGB full supported barrel 4.6", when it's freshly cleaned. I shoot 6 or 8 these then switch to lighter training loads 180gr/1250fps.
When barrel is dirty I never switch back to full power loads until I clean it.

165gr Speer Gold Dots w. 3N38 and CCI 350 LP Magnum primers:

load (grains) average (fps)
12,0..............1344
12,3..............1355
12,6..............1361
12,8..............1385
13,0..............1426
13,2..............1449
13,4..............1462
13,6..............1478
13,8..............1486 primers not so great anymore
14,0..............1503 primers flattened

Temperature was -4C (25F), IGB full supported 4.6" barrel.
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Now my workload is 12,8gr 3N38. It meters 1400fps average. Do not go shorter than 1.265 OAL
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So far my favorite load for the 165 grain Gold Dots is as follows;

OAL; 1.255"
Primers; WLP or CCI 300
Cases; Federal, Remington, Hornady, or Winchester
Bullet; Speer 165 grain Gold Dot JHP.
Powder; IMR 800-X @ 10.2 grains Hand Measured Each Load.
Penetration; Recovered in second water jug.
Expansion; 1.20"

No signs of High Pressure at 10.2 grains of IMR 800-X. At 10.4 grains of IMR 800-X the Gold Dot began to shed peddles.

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I plan on loading large quanities of 165 grain Gold Dots with 10.2 grains of IMR 800-X.





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Old 11-12-2011, 01:25   #13
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So far my favorite load for the 165 grain Gold Dots is as follows;

OAL; 1.255"
Primers; WLP or CCI 300
Cases; Federal, Remington, Hornady, or Winchester
Bullet; Speer 165 grain Gold Dot JHP.
Powder; IMR 800-X @ 10.2 grains Hand Measured Each Load.
Penetration; Recovered in second water jug.
Expansion; 1.20"

No signs of High Pressure at 10.2 grains of IMR 800-X. At 10.4 grains of IMR 800-X the Gold Dot began to shed peddles.

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I plan on loading large quanities of 165 grain Gold Dots with 10.2 grains of IMR 800-X.





Wicked expansion! Thanks for the info.
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Old 11-12-2011, 17:02   #14
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So far my favorite load for the 165 grain Gold Dots is as follows;

OAL; 1.255"
Primers; WLP or CCI 300
Cases; Federal, Remington, Hornady, or Winchester
Bullet; Speer 165 grain Gold Dot JHP.
Powder; IMR 800-X @ 10.2 grains Hand Measured Each Load.
Penetration; Recovered in second water jug.
Expansion; 1.20"

No signs of High Pressure at 10.2 grains of IMR 800-X. At 10.4 grains of IMR 800-X the Gold Dot began to shed peddles.

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I plan on loading large quanities of 165 grain Gold Dots with 10.2 grains of IMR 800-X.





Great photos.

Question: the XTP and Silvertip, are those Hornady ans Winchester factory loads. I missed it if that was mentioned earlier.
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Yes, they are factory loads. All the loads on that paper are factory, except the two loads that state the powder used.







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Speer #14 list the 10mm 165 gr Gold Dot with several powders here are the top 4 loads.

Blue Dot starting load 10.5 gr @ 1181 max load is 11.5 @ 1273
AA#9.....starting load 14.5 gr @ 1277 max load is 15.5 @ 1344
Power Pistol start Load 9.0 gr @ 1204 max load is 10.0 @ 1314
AA#7.....starting load 11.2 gr @ 1177 max load is 12.2 @ 1278

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Speer #14 list the 10mm 165 gr Gold Dot with several powders here are the top 4 loads.

Blue Dot starting load 10.5 gr @ 1181 max load is 11.5 @ 1273
AA#9.....starting load 14.5 gr @ 1277 max load is 15.5 @ 1344
Power Pistol start Load 9.0 gr @ 1204 max load is 10.0 @ 1314
AA#7.....starting load 11.2 gr @ 1177 max load is 12.2 @ 1278

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The JPG is a nice touch.
That AA#9 load looks like a good bet.
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That AA#9 is nice but I bet the Blue Dot could be taken further than shown to equal the AA#9 results safely! Probably 12.0 - 12.2 gr with incremental testing!

I think Power Pistol would also benifit with a little work and testing.
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I have worked up to the 15.5 gr max charge of A9 and it runs great. Case expansion and other indicators show it to be good to go. Seemingly plenty of margin for error for pressures. I like 15.2 grains. It handles really well and, in my opinion, a good speed for that bullet. I shot an IDPA match with the 15.2 gr load. It ran really good with nice control.

I did not chrony the 15.5 gr loads, but 15.2 goes 1335. No doubt that 15.5 would do a bit better than the 1344 published by Speer. Longshot would no doubt work good too, but load data is pretty scarce.

I would bet that Blue Dot would work great too with nice groups.
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