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06-27-2011, 20:24
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The foolishness of Civil War reenactors
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06-27-2011, 20:41
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06-27-2011, 21:29
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06-27-2011, 20:42
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What gave it away...the cell phones?
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06-27-2011, 20:47
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I saw this discussed on another forum. It turned into the usual north vs. south argument that we see here on GlockTalk for the most part.
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06-27-2011, 21:03
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06-28-2011, 03:00
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Quote:
Originally Posted by arnold ziffle
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06-28-2011, 06:58
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Hey it could be worse- it could be a Renaissance Festival.
Now those people are goofballs.
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06-27-2011, 21:18
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I dislike the tone and language of the article. Because the author is tired of the civil war, he is detracting reenactors? I don't really understand his overall point here. Reenactors are doing the leg work of teaching the average American about the civil war. I am fresh out of school (kind of) and I can tell you that students learn nothing from class. Going to reenactments and talking to the guys is how people learn. Some of what the author said is just plain incorrect. I've been reenacting for about 13 years in 2 states with probably 5 different units, confederate and union, and there have never been lotteries or any pre-planning of "who dies first" or when or how. I've also never heard a reenacter try to correct someone by saying they are a "living historian". I've heard people use that term before, but no reenactor I have ever met would be against being called a "reenactor". Also I dont know what spectators have "paid a hefty fee" to gain entry, but every reenactment I've been to has been on public land.
I also dislike how the author brings up slavery. Maybe he forgets that free blacks serving in the confederate army were paid the same as whites, and that blacks in the union army were paid 1/3 the salary of whites and that the famous "buffalo soldiers" weren't paid at all. Or that the north had slavery until the 13th amendment AFTER the war was over.
Like most authors about most things, this guy needs to get his facts straight. Also he should appreciate the efforts of those who share his passion for history and who put their time and effort into this hobby, which includes educating people. This guy gets paid to talk to scholars about things they probably already know on some level. Reenactors are volunteers who take time and money away from their lives to talk to average joe blow from the street about the Civil War.
This article is an opinionated joke.
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06-27-2011, 22:25
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Originally Posted by Spike 7.62
I dislike the tone and language of the article. Because the author is tired of the civil war, he is detracting reenactors? I don't really understand his overall point here. Reenactors are doing the leg work of teaching the average American about the civil war. I am fresh out of school (kind of) and I can tell you that students learn nothing from class. Going to reenactments and talking to the guys is how people learn. Some of what the author said is just plain incorrect. I've been reenacting for about 13 years in 2 states with probably 5 different units, confederate and union, and there have never been lotteries or any pre-planning of "who dies first" or when or how. I've also never heard a reenacter try to correct someone by saying they are a "living historian". I've heard people use that term before, but no reenactor I have ever met would be against being called a "reenactor". Also I dont know what spectators have "paid a hefty fee" to gain entry, but every reenactment I've been to has been on public land.
I also dislike how the author brings up slavery. Maybe he forgets that free blacks serving in the confederate army were paid the same as whites, and that blacks in the union army were paid 1/3 the salary of whites and that the famous "buffalo soldiers" weren't paid at all. Or that the north had slavery until the 13th amendment AFTER the war was over.
Like most authors about most things, this guy needs to get his facts straight. Also he should appreciate the efforts of those who share his passion for history and who put their time and effort into this hobby, which includes educating people. This guy gets paid to talk to scholars about things they probably already know on some level. Reenactors are volunteers who take time and money away from their lives to talk to average joe blow from the street about the Civil War.
This article is an opinionated joke.
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Outstanding post!
The author of that article is, like most professional journalists, ill informed (at BEST) about what he wrote about.
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06-28-2011, 08:38
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Originally Posted by goldenlight
Outstanding post!
The author of that article is, like most professional journalists, ill informed (at BEST) about what he wrote about.
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Actually the author isn't a professional journalist, he is a professor of Civil War History at Western Kentucky University.
Since he is nothing more than an ivory tower academic it makes sense that he talks out of his *** and belittles regular folk LOL.
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06-28-2011, 08:30
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Originally Posted by Spike 7.62
I dislike the tone and language of the article. Because the author is tired of the civil war, he is detracting reenactors? I don't really understand his overall point here. Reenactors are doing the leg work of teaching the average American about the civil war. I am fresh out of school (kind of) and I can tell you that students learn nothing from class. Going to reenactments and talking to the guys is how people learn. Some of what the author said is just plain incorrect. I've been reenacting for about 13 years in 2 states with probably 5 different units, confederate and union, and there have never been lotteries or any pre-planning of "who dies first" or when or how. I've also never heard a reenacter try to correct someone by saying they are a "living historian". I've heard people use that term before, but no reenactor I have ever met would be against being called a "reenactor". Also I dont know what spectators have "paid a hefty fee" to gain entry, but every reenactment I've been to has been on public land.
I also dislike how the author brings up slavery. Maybe he forgets that free blacks serving in the confederate army were paid the same as whites, and that blacks in the union army were paid 1/3 the salary of whites and that the famous "buffalo soldiers" weren't paid at all. Or that the north had slavery until the 13th amendment AFTER the war was over.
Like most authors about most things, this guy needs to get his facts straight. Also he should appreciate the efforts of those who share his passion for history and who put their time and effort into this hobby, which includes educating people. This guy gets paid to talk to scholars about things they probably already know on some level. Reenactors are volunteers who take time and money away from their lives to talk to average joe blow from the street about the Civil War.
This article is an opinionated joke.
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I totally agree. I could only get a little over half way through reading the article before I gave up on it. Seems like meeting the author would be a real downer.
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06-28-2011, 08:40
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I was a hardcore reenactor, our reenactments were never public events, always done on pvt land no spectators Our uniforms were exact replicas museum grade, not like mainstream reenactors
to get into the reenactment you better be wearing all the correct stuff they will search you down to your underwear which better be hand sewn period correct
it's a whole different animal then the reenactments the public sees
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06-28-2011, 08:41
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oops double post
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I am a professional I always aim true whether firing single shots or full automatic, I know neither fatigue nor failure I would take pride in my work but for one thing, I do not know my target, I am not the one that kills, that distinction belongs to the man who pulls my trigger, I am an assault rifle my name is Kalashnikov
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06-27-2011, 21:05
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Why is is foolishness?
History should be remembered. If someone wants to dress up and remember history, so be it.
I remember going to living history museums as a kid. There was one out west that had a mountain man. There was one in the smokies that has pioneers. There was one in a plain state that had different pioneers. I got a kick out of all of them. I probably learned as much from the play actors as the books.
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06-27-2011, 23:09
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Originally Posted by RWBlue
History should be remembered. If someone wants to dress up and remember history, so be it.
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Yeah. I just read about a living history wild west re-enactment where one of the participants decided to use live ammo. Shot some tourists.
How's that for realism?
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06-28-2011, 07:18
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Originally Posted by Nemesis.
Yeah. I just read about a living history wild west re-enactment where one of the participants decided to use live ammo. Shot some tourists.
How's that for realism?
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West World? Did he look like Yul Brenner?
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06-28-2011, 09:19
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So where do the Yankees reenact Sherman's army going through the South?
Burning down barns, houses, towns, entire cities. Waging war upon civilians and kidnapping women, pillaging, looting, stealing everything they could get their hands on and destroying the rest.
This is what helped win Lincoln's war.
Now days we call it Terrorism.
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06-28-2011, 09:21
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Natty
So where do the Yankees reenact Sherman's army going through the South?
Burning down barns, houses, towns, entire cities. Waging war upon civilians and kidnapping women, pillaging, looting, stealing everything they could get their hands on and destroying the rest.
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06-28-2011, 10:30
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Originally Posted by Natty
So where do the Yankees reenact Sherman's army going through the South?
This is what helped win Lincoln's war.
Now days we call it Terrorism.
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No. Now days we call it total war. You do what you have to do to win.
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06-28-2011, 10:37
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Natty
So where do the Yankees reenact Sherman's army going through the South?
Burning down barns, houses, towns, entire cities. Waging war upon civilians and kidnapping women, pillaging, looting, stealing everything they could get their hands on and destroying the rest.
This is what helped win Lincoln's war.
Now days we call it Terrorism.
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Sherman was/still is a hero for bringing that war to a swift end, we need a Sherman in A-stan
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DW
I am a professional I always aim true whether firing single shots or full automatic, I know neither fatigue nor failure I would take pride in my work but for one thing, I do not know my target, I am not the one that kills, that distinction belongs to the man who pulls my trigger, I am an assault rifle my name is Kalashnikov
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06-28-2011, 10:42
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Natty
So where do the Yankees reenact Sherman's army going through the South?
Burning down barns, houses, towns, entire cities. Waging war upon civilians and kidnapping women, pillaging, looting, stealing everything they could get their hands on and destroying the rest.
This is what helped win Lincoln's war.
Now days we call it Terrorism.
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06-28-2011, 15:07
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Natty
So where do the Yankees reenact Sherman's army going through the South?
Burning down barns, houses, towns, entire cities. Waging war upon civilians and kidnapping women, pillaging, looting, stealing everything they could get their hands on and destroying the rest.
This is what helped win Lincoln's war.
Now days we call it Terrorism.
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I was waiting for you to troll this!
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06-28-2011, 07:44
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Nemesis.
Yeah. I just read about a living history wild west re-enactment where one of the participants decided to use live ammo. Shot some tourists.
How's that for realism?
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So you are against reenactments because someone got stupid?
I guess we should take away the guns from everyone who CCWs because there have been more than a few ADs.
And I guess we should stop all gun shows because two idiots were able to fire not one but TWO rounds in a gun show a couple weeks ago.
And I guess we should stop cops from having guns because of the stupidity down in New Orleans.
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06-27-2011, 22:30
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I agree the article was short sighted and closed minded about the importance of remembering history for history's sake. I am sure he is in the minority with his views.
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