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Old 07-15-2010, 20:59   #1
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WST or WSF for 9mm 124gr jhp

Ok I may try one last powder before I stick with something solid. I tried tightgroup, and so far have loved the results, using 4.0gr TG over a 124gr MG JHP out of a beretta 92fs. Dont remember which most prefer for the same bullet WSTor WSF. Not much load data for WST, WSF seems pretty common. So wich should I try? I think I wanna try WST but dont know any data for it. BTW the press I'm running is a dillon 550 if that matters

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Old 07-15-2010, 21:15   #2
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I loaded 1k of 124gr Pd fmj with 5 gr wst and this load is very accurate and cycles well. usually,I don't load this many of 1 load,but this one make me very happy.
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Old 07-15-2010, 21:28   #3
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I myself just wanna stick with 1. I'm really new, I have loaded a grand total of 1200 rounds. Tried unique, doesnt measur well with my 550, switched to TG like it alot, no real complains other than its hard to see inside the case. Wanna try WST (I think) as these 2 powders (again I think wst ccould be wsf thus the reason for this thread) people seem to be really happy with. I would try solo but dont have a chrono so its kinda out. I have no qualms playing around with thing, but mostly just wanna find as load or 2 I am happy or even better thrilled with. So far TG is most excellent for me but I wanna see if I can get the same or better result minus the 1 quaral I have with it
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Old 07-15-2010, 21:33   #4
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the only time i have used TG is with a 147gr plated and the accuracy was very dissappointing.

I use WSF mainly for lead loads as I have found it smokes less than using the hotter stuff.
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Old 07-15-2010, 21:38   #5
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Giben I was only shooting at 7 and 15 yards but at 7 yards I was putting bullet on top of bullet using TG, at 15 yards I was keeping them well inside 4 inches and I'm not a great shot by most accounts. I was satisified. Just wanna try 1 more good powder and see the results
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Old 07-15-2010, 21:58   #6
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I went with WST in all my 9mm weights and its great!. I worked them up per Fred's suggestions and a few others and they were perfect. Nice and soft like TG, but the brass is clean and cool.
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I myself just wanna stick with 1. I'm really new, I have loaded a grand total of 1200 rounds. Tried unique, doesnt measur well with my 550, switched to TG like it alot, no real complains other than its hard to see inside the case. Wanna try WST (I think) as these 2 powders (again I think wst ccould be wsf thus the reason for this thread) people seem to be really happy with. I would try solo but dont have a chrono so its kinda out. I have no qualms playing around with thing, but mostly just wanna find as load or 2 I am happy or even better thrilled with. So far TG is most excellent for me but I wanna see if I can get the same or better result minus the 1 quaral I have with it
Fred(i think) has posted a lot of WST data here...
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Old 09-26-2010, 17:38   #8
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I wasn't happy about how Unique metered in my 550B either until i tried this product. You got to have patience to install it but it was well worth it.
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Tried unique, doesnt measure well with my 550,
Unique was giving me fits in my 550B last spring. I filled the Powder Measure Tube up with Unique and then threw 600 rounds of 10mm and 300 rounds of .45 ACP and then I threw another 400 rounds of 9mm. I just kept filling the tube up as I used up the powder. By the time I was loading the last of my 9mm, I had tons of variance on the powder throws. I think the powder may have gotten compacted.

This weekend, I loaded up 500 rounds of my 9mm 115 grain load with Unique. I watched it pretty closely and it never varied even a 10th of a grain while I loaded 500 rounds.

I took care to make sure the powder did not get compacted.
  1. I made sure that I never had more than 1/2 inch of powder in the main well of the Powder Measure Tube (about 75 rounds worth).
  2. I let the powder get low enough on occassion so that the divider in the tube showed.
I still have the better part of a four pound canister of Unique, so I'm glad I was able to get it to meter well. If you're willing to experiment, and make frequent powder measurements, I think this might be worth trying. I'd be interested in seeing if this works for anybody else. Otherwise, I'll blame the usual culprits: sunspots and gremlins.
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Ok I may try one last powder before I stick with something solid. I tried tightgroup, and so far have loved the results, using 4.0gr TG over a 124gr MG JHP out of a beretta 92fs. Dont remember which most prefer for the same bullet WSTor WSF. Not much load data for WST, WSF seems pretty common. So wich should I try? I think I wanna try WST but dont know any data for it. BTW the press I'm running is a dillon 550 if that matters

4.5-5.0grns. WST w/124grn. bullet.

I use 5.0grns. myself for 115/124s. This falls somewhere between 1150-1180fps depending on barrel length. Excellent accuracy, clean burning, and low recoiling the fact that WST meters extremely well is just frosting on the cake.

I only use WSF in the 9mm for +P loads. If you ever go that route try 6.2grns. w/124 JHPs. Good for 1250fps, give or take, and is the most accurate hot 9mm reload I've seen in 40 years of rolling my own.
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4.1 gr of wsf behind 124gr mg is a nice shooting round with lots of room to go hotter if you chose to. But absolutely no reason to.
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Old 07-16-2010, 05:18   #12
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4.1 gr of wsf behind 124gr mg is a nice shooting round with lots of room to go hotter if you chose to. But absolutely no reason to.
I'm with SGR, 5.0gr of WSF behind a 124gr XTP in my CZ75BD is the best shooting load I have ever shot in a 9MM.

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Old 07-16-2010, 11:20   #13
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4.1 gr of wsf behind 124gr mg is a nice shooting round with lots of room to go hotter if you chose to. But absolutely no reason to.
You chrono those? I can't imagine they are even breaking 1000fps.
TJ's 4.9gr-5gr of WST under a 124grFMJ or JHP will run about 1100fps, depending on OAL. That is pretty much max IMO, so if you want a little more gas, then WSF is the powder. As BA noted, 6.1-6.2gr will get you into +P range w/ 1250fps. I'm am not a fan of WST w/ 147gr bullets, just don't get the accuracy I want, so if Iwanted one powder to run full power to +P, it would be WSF. WST for light to full power loads, especially w/ lighter bullets.
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You chrono those? I can't imagine they are even breaking 1000fps.
TJ's 4.9gr-5gr of WST under a 124grFMJ or JHP will run about 1100fps, depending on OAL. That is pretty much max IMO, so if you want a little more gas, then WSF is the powder. As BA noted, 6.1-6.2gr will get you into +P range w/ 1250fps. I'm am not a fan of WST w/ 147gr bullets, just don't get the accuracy I want, so if Iwanted one powder to run full power to +P, it would be WSF. WST for light to full power loads, especially w/ lighter bullets.
You seem to be the wst/wsf guy. So for my load what would you recomend? You know of a source for load data with wst with 124gr jhp? WSF is on the website but no wst
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You seem to be the wst/wsf guy. So for my load what would you recomend? You know of a source for load data with wst with 124gr jhp? WSF is on the website but no wst
TJ shoots as much WST as I do, his loading recommendations mimic mine. There are some older Winchester loading flyers around that have WST data for the 9mm. I no longer have one, but you should find something you can work with using 4.8gr-5.1gr under a 124grJHP/FMJ, go as long an OAL that will fit your gun.
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You chrono those? I can't imagine they are even breaking 1000fps.
TJ's 4.9gr-5gr of WST under a 124grFMJ or JHP will run about 1100fps, depending on OAL. That is pretty much max IMO, so if you want a little more gas, then WSF is the powder. As BA noted, 6.1-6.2gr will get you into +P range w/ 1250fps. I'm am not a fan of WST w/ 147gr bullets, just don't get the accuracy I want, so if Iwanted one powder to run full power to +P, it would be WSF. WST for light to full power loads, especially w/ lighter bullets.
Yea I have several times. I don't remember off hand but it just limps past power factor for IDPA. It is the most used load at my IDPA club. Its just a putting holes in paper load. We are shooting at sea level if that makes any difference. I don't have my own crono so I only crono a couple times a year.
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Yea I have several times. I don't remember off hand but it just limps past power factor for IDPA. It is the most used load at my IDPA club. Its just a putting holes in paper load. We are shooting at sea level if that makes any difference. I don't have my own crono so I only crono a couple times a year.
Wow, I would double check your data, my own chrono & Hogdon's don't even get close (I assume you think you are getting 1050fps?):
124 GR. FMJ Winchester WSF .355" 1.169" 4.7 1015 27,700 PSI 5.3 1115 32,700 PSI
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I only use WSF in the 9mm for +P loads. If you ever go that route try 6.2grns. w/124 JHPs. Good for 1250fps, give or take, and is the most accurate hot 9mm reload I've seen in 40 years of rolling my own.
I load 6.2gr of WSF behind 124gr Gold Dots and they're right at about 1250 out of my M&P. I really like that load and also carry it in my Kahr CW9.
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I have not seen WST recommended by W-W for use in 9mm. I have used 5.0 gr. WSF behind either the 125 gr. Star JSP or 124 gr. Montana Gold JHP wirth excellent results. I also use WSF for the 147 gr. jacketed bullets.
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some good 9 milli data here
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I load a lot of WSF in 9mm.

115gr 5.5gr loaded to 1.125
124gr 5.0gr loaded to 1.125
147gr 4.0gr loaded to 1.125 FMJ or 1.100 JHP

WSF pressure doesn't gain much with OAL change. Winchester data uses the 1.1690" close-to-SAAMI-max OAL for nearly all their data. Most loaders I know run JHP to 1.10, FMJ to 1.12-1.14 and save the major loads for 1.15+. SAAMI says we have between 1.00 and 1.70 for an OAL to work with in the 9mm Luger. Generally a little shorter than the halfway point is the sweet spot for most 9mm guns. Depending on your mag length and chamber throat, you can load longer to get in the lands.
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I load a lot of WSF in 9mm.

115gr 5.5gr loaded to 1.125
124gr 5.0gr loaded to 1.125
147gr 4.0gr loaded to 1.125 FMJ or 1.100 JHP

WSF pressure doesn't gain much with OAL change. Winchester data uses the 1.1690" close-to-SAAMI-max OAL for nearly all their data. Most loaders I know run JHP to 1.10, FMJ to 1.12-1.14 and save the major loads for 1.15+. SAAMI says we have between 1.00 and 1.70 for an OAL to work with in the 9mm Luger. Generally a little shorter than the halfway point is the sweet spot for most 9mm guns. Depending on your mag length and chamber throat, you can load longer to get in the lands.
Thanks Freakshow. Appreciate that info. Winchester seems to be the only powder manufacturer (at least that I use) that doesn't publish minimum OAL, and I don't have the guts to trust my observations of what is too much pressure.
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been thinking about switching to either wst or wsf from unique. i mostly shoot 9mm but would like a good powder for 45acp and 12ga if possible. which would you guys go with? leaning towards wsf.
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been thinking about switching to either wst or wsf from unique. i mostly shoot 9mm but would like a good powder for 45acp and 12ga if possible. which would you guys go with? leaning towards wsf.
If you shoot hotter loads, then you should go with WSF. WST is superior IMO for light to medium loads. I use WST in 38spl, 9mm, and 45acp. Exceptional powder.
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Am I allowed to post a photo out of a manual with WST data on it? It seems like it's hard to find. I just don't need any more "INFRACTIONS" on my record.
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