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05-06-2010, 08:30
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lets talk about the Confederate flag.
The Confederate flag is one of those symbols that has recently taken a more negative meaning. Not sure when it happened or why. I remember in the 1980s watching the Dukes of Hazard and nobody thought anything of the "General Lee" and how the roof was painted. There is no way a network show would glorify the Confederate symbol like that today.
In the 1980s, the Dukes of Hazard were seen as lovable rebels. They were the heros of the show. Something happened since then to change the idea of what the flag stands for.
I used to think the flag was kind of cool because I liked the rebel connotations. Now I sense that the flag is more a symbol of racism and ignorance for most people and that is why it has been met with more and more distaste.
I am from the northern Midwest so I don't have an inside view on the south like some of you guys. Not trying to start a flame war but why is the CSA flag seen in such a bad light by most people today? What changed in the past 20 years? I am curious because I can remember a time when it was not only seen as a symbol of hate.
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05-06-2010, 08:32
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Because some people really really hate white people.
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05-06-2010, 20:19
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Originally Posted by cjlandry
Because some people really really hate white people.
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confederate flag means white people?
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05-08-2010, 11:13
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I agree 100%!
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Originally Posted by cjlandry
Because some people really really hate white people.
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People hate the white people. And are RACEST!
That works for them so I shall use it now!
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09-11-2012, 17:40
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Originally Posted by Ramrod66
Because some people really really hate white people.
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09-16-2012, 21:11
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Originally Posted by Ramrod66
Because some people really really hate white people.
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I agree , and may we NEVER apologize for being WHITE 
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05-06-2010, 08:34
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Originally Posted by speedsix
Not trying to start a flame war but why is the CSA flag seen in such a bad light by most people today? What changed in the past 20 years? I am curious because I can remember a time when it was not only seen as a symbol of hate.
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I suspect because today people actively look for things that hurt them and if they don't find anything, they make **** up. People will ALWAYS find something to whine about and stick a racist label to it.
The country today isn't what it was 20 years ago either. Pretty f'n sad!
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05-06-2010, 08:38
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Originally Posted by the iceman
I suspect because today people actively look for things that hurt them and if they don't find anything, they make **** up. People will ALWAYS find something to whine about and stick a racist label to it.
The country today isn't what it was 20 years ago either. Pretty f'n sad!
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You said it.
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05-06-2010, 20:15
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Originally Posted by the iceman
I suspect because today people actively look for things that hurt them and if they don't find anything, they make **** up. People will ALWAYS find something to whine about and stick a racist label to it.
The country today isn't what it was 20 years ago either. Pretty f'n sad!
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what he said.
brave Americans fought and died by it,makes it honorable to me.but i`m still a Damn Yankee!
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05-06-2010, 20:52
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Originally Posted by the iceman
I suspect because today people actively look for things that hurt them and if they don't find anything, they make **** up. People will ALWAYS find something to whine about and stick a racist label to it.
The country today isn't what it was 20 years ago either. Pretty f'n sad!
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Very true...
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05-06-2010, 08:34
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I remember a Military man, who loved his country and fought for it. Afterward his country was poor and broke and being blamed for the War.
But he rebuilt his country, made it an Industrial power, gave the people jobs and their pride back. Helped them put food on the table. He also got their land that was stolen from them.
but that was Hitler.
Should Germans put Swastikas on their Volkswagens in honor of "German Pride"?
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05-06-2010, 08:36
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Originally Posted by marksiwel
I remember a Military man, who loved his country and fought for it. Afterward his country was poor and broke and being blamed for the War.
But he rebuilt his country, made it an Industrial power, gave the people jobs and their pride back. Helped them put food on the table. He also got their land that was stolen from them.
but that was Hitler.
Should Germans put Swastikas on their Volkswagens in honor of "German Pride"?
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Last time I checked, no one called Germany "the land of the free".
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05-06-2010, 09:59
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Originally Posted by cjlandry
Last time I checked, no one called Germany "the land of the free".
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I love ya bro, but thats not what he's saying... He's saying that Hitler took a country that was crushed and made it great again.. People in Germany had high regard for their leader, the Fuhrer. Sure, it wasn't a democracy or a republic, it was facism however, argue it or not, many people didn't mind... majority anyway. How many don't agree with half of what the Federal Government does but stay here anyway? Much akin to Nazi Germany..
I remember when Soldiers, US Soldiers were being spit on, **** on and pissed on by their countrymen... They'd go to war, paying debts they felt they had, kicking ass, taking names, burying friends, trying to put friends back together in a place called Vietnam.. Only to come home to another war. They were seen as outcasts, scumbags, derilicts, baby killers, much like the Nazi's in Germany..
Now, every soldier here gets a military discount, they're regarded highly no matter what branch, what service, what discipline.... What happened there?...
I think the change in the flag is typical revolution of beliefs. Any country, any movement, any beliefs can be changed radically overtime...
In 1987 if you didn't spend 2 cans of hairspray on your hair, dress up like a chick and play a fluorescent colored guitar, you couldn't play out in bars.
Now, if you do, you're a ******. Go figure right?
Time changes all things. ALL things. The sooner you realize that, the better your life will be.
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09-02-2011, 02:42
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Originally Posted by cjlandry
Last time I checked, no one called Germany "the land of the free".
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And the slaves certainly looked at the South as just that... the land of the free.
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09-18-2011, 20:47
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So where do you people get your KKK robes dry cleaned?
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Well, to be fair, those could have been just some "South will rise again" kinda attitude migration over to that theatre. I mean, they were killing a bunch of folks a different (more savage and inferior?) race than themselves. And embracing each "victory" in the name of the South, no doubt.
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10-04-2011, 12:20
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Originally Posted by RustyShackelford
Well, to be fair, those could have been just some "South will rise again" kinda attitude migration over to that theatre. I mean, they were killing a bunch of folks a different (more savage and inferior?) race than themselves. And embracing each "victory" in the name of the South, no doubt.
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05-06-2010, 08:37
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Quote:
Originally Posted by marksiwel
Should Germans put Swastikas on their Volkswagens in honor of "German Pride"?
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Apples and oranges.
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05-06-2010, 08:56
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Originally Posted by the iceman
Apples and oranges.
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Is it, how?
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05-06-2010, 08:38
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I believe most people who have issues against the Confederate flag just are ignorant of American history.
What is racist about the Confederate flag?
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05-06-2010, 08:47
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Originally Posted by Natty
I believe most people who have issues against the Confederate flag just are ignorant of American history.
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Speaking of confederate flag ignorance, I think the Georgia legislature drove that home better than I could. People complained about this: 
So they made it this:
Basically just saying, "we think you're too dumb to get this." They were right.
For you yankees, the new Georgia flag is the entire 1861-1863 national flag of of the CSA, with a state seal added in the middle of the stars.
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05-06-2010, 08:57
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Could it . .
Could it have something to do with the fact that the last time people marched under that battle flag, they did so with the belief and intent that they had a right own human beings, the right to rape their property, the right to take their properties' offspring and sell it?
I'm not against people flying the flag, freedom of expression and all, but I have to doubt the sencerity of any protestations that the above rights and beliefs are supossed to represent good southern hospitality. 
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05-06-2010, 09:03
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05-06-2010, 09:09
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Could it have something to do with the fact that the last time people marched under that battle flag, they did so with the belief and intent that they had a right own human beings, the right to rape their property, the right to take their properties' offspring and sell it?
I'm not against people flying the flag, freedom of expression and all, but I have to doubt the sencerity of any protestations that the above rights and beliefs are supossed to represent good southern hospitality. |
that happened under the american flag also.and after the war durring reconstruction in the south. look at how not only blacks were trated in the north but also the irish,chinese,and others.
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05-06-2010, 12:34
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Originally Posted by Andy123
Could it have something to do with the fact that the last time people marched under that battle flag, they did so with the belief and intent that they had a right own human beings, the right to rape their property, the right to take their properties' offspring and sell it?
I'm not against people flying the flag, freedom of expression and all, but I have to doubt the sencerity of any protestations that the above rights and beliefs are supossed to represent good southern hospitality. |
+ 1 to this.
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05-06-2010, 14:22
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Originally Posted by Andy123
Could it have something to do with the fact that the last time people marched under that battle flag, they did so with the belief and intent that they had a right own human beings, the right to rape their property, the right to take their properties' offspring and sell it?
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And at that time, the same exact thing was true of the American flag.
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