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Old 12-10-2012, 17:49   #10
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I had a local armor do all the updates on my 17 and haven't been hit in the face in about 5000 rounds. None of my other Gen 4s have given me problems from 1st shot on.
As for drinking while brewing...if you can still speak english, you can still brew.

"People who drink light 'beer' don't like the taste of beer; they just like to pee a lot."
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