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Old 10-18-2012, 08:18   #21
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Nope. QC is horrible on these guns. You're entitled to disagree, but my experience couldn't have painted this picture more clearly. Colts obviously didn't used to cost over a G, and they also used to be much better pistols.
Regardless of what you have seen, you're just one anecdote relative to the entire history.

However, the reality is that modern day QC is significantly BETTER than it used to be, naturally, there are some companies that are exceptions. Again someone has to be uneducated in the history of how these things used to be built to think that they aren't built better now than they were through the years. This includes steel treatment, tolerances, etc.

I love the platform, and obviously having turned multiple failing pistols into a working ones I have a more than decent knowledge of 1911s. No matter if you, I, or anyone else had purchased the aluminum framed Kimber I did, the magazines with steel followers would be eating chucks out of the frame. When I called their CS about it, they had no problem admitting right off the bat that this was a known issue. Shipping the pistol with these mags is terrible business practice, poor quality control. Consumers obviously don't care, as they continue to sell these 'guns faster than they can make them; new Kimbers are always on back order.
Not really gonna defend Kimber as the make their own grave. Several OTHER good companies making 1911s. I will say this, and it solidifies my original statements. The further a company gets away from the original design, the more variables you will have. Kimber loves to do this. On the flip side, Colt is making them better than they ever have.

Implying that I'm incompetent doesn't prove that the 1911 is infallible in all forms, it simply proves that you're being unkind and not remotely thoughtful--that's not in any way a personal attack, just fact. If you read, and comprehended, half of what I said in this thread alone you'd realize your remarks to be wholly without reasonable foundation. And your comments are forgiven, so let's get back to celebrating the piece we all love. All of this has nothing to do with my OP.
Sorry, it's just my experiences, so it's not an attack, or being unkind. I've seen guys that have "been shooting 20 years" jam a glock 17 with 15K flawless rounds through it.

I do consider that a fact; especially when a life is on the line. Without test firing 100-500 rounds, no cheap 1911 can be trusted to protect your life. Some more modern handgun designs many people feel are much more trustworthy. Ask Bill Wilson, or simply read one of his books. Ask Travis Haley. Ask Masad Ayoob. The 1911 can be an extremely reliable gun when it works correctly, but they're picky animals. It's not as if this is the first time you're hearing this. The gun can't even be considered reliable without a cleaning after every 500 rounds (again, Bill Wilson's words, not mine).
Bill Wilson is selling/telling you need a $3000 gun so I'll take that with a grain of salt. Now aside from these names and without regurgitating the talking heads of the last 10-15 years. I have some questions for you....

What happened in the initial 1911 army trials? How many rounds did it fire over two days? What did they do when it began to get hot? How many reported malfuntions?

Now again..... opinions on the internet and anecdotes aside including mine. The 1911 has made it through several wars, conflicts, etc across many different terrains without significant problems. Enough to defend the lives of many downrange. Now considering this, one has to realize that those guns were not up modern day standards of quality 1911 producers across the board. The steel used, small parts, and tolerances are ALL significantly better in todays times and most importantly..... so are the mags.

So again the notion that it's an artform to make one is laughable, and so is the opinion that out of the box, you've got spend north of $1k to have one work.
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