If you never ever ever want optics ever ever, just get an AR with permanently attached carrying handle. If you think of optics possibility down the road, get a flat top AR with a flipped up rear sight. Sure, you can attach optics onto the carrying handle, but it's cumbersome. Sure, you can get a detachable carrying handle, but, once you plan on optics, you're gonna toss that handle and buy a BUIS.
NRA Lifer, GOA Lifer, SAF Lifer
Commie libs, criminals, and sheeple love gun control. It's easier to blame inanimate objects than the killers themselves.
Andrew Cuomo & Michael Bloomberg = Friends of criminals
Con, the first 3 letters in Congress.
UN, the first 2 letters in UNnecessary.