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Old 07-03-2011, 08:54   #103
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Originally Posted by Natty View Post
This is simply not true. In 1860 New Jersey still had 18 slaves. But they changed the name of their slaves to "apprentices for life" to make everyone feel better.
Fine, we'll use your numbers for discussion.

Are you really going to sit there and claim that the entire state of NJ voted against the 13th because "They still had slaves and did not want to give them up"? Really? The need to hang onto 18 aging, irreplaceable slaves, sure to be dead in another 20 years, tops, was so important that the entire state voted to protect those few owners? The state of NJ was okay with banning the import of slaves in 1786, was okay with freeing those born to slave parents after 1810, but those 18 souls stopped Emancipation in its tracks because "They still had slaves and did not want to give them up?"

This is a ridiculous claim and deserves to be ridiculed. Thinking back, it's the silliest claim you've ever made about slavery and the war, and that's saying something.
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