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bruce21b 12-05-2004 17:48

Speer Gold Dot vs. Double Tap
 
Hey all,

does anyone know the difference between factory Speer Gold Dot and Double Tap Gold Dot as far as velocity f.p.s and ft. lbs. energy, if any??? thanks in advance:)

Donut Gestapo 12-05-2004 19:31

Double Tap:
3.5" barrel - 1415fps
4.5" barrel - 1525fps

Speer:
4.0" barrel - 1350fps

Both have the same Gold Dot Bullet

MCNETT 12-05-2004 20:16

Exactly!
-Mike

G33 12-05-2004 21:28

Years of Speer...Now carry the DT.;f

BillCola 12-05-2004 22:01

Quote:

Originally posted by G33
Years of Speer...Now carry the DT.;f
I consider that a more than sufficient recommendation...

G33 12-05-2004 23:20

;J ;C

bruce21b 12-06-2004 05:45

Just ordered a box of Gold Dots from Double Tap, cant wait to try them out, thanks:)

Highplainsman 12-07-2004 14:26

:( May have to try these! I have carried the Speers for quite awhile! ;P Ummm! Where do you guys get them?;Q

bruce21b 12-07-2004 14:44

www.doubletapammo.com

Highplainsman 12-07-2004 14:46

Nevermind! Just found the address in MCNETT's post!;a Oops! Caught your post a second late Bruce!;P

T Earl 12-14-2004 22:39

I just ordered some double tap, I got a box of the gold dot and a box of the FMJ to try it out. Should be here in a week, I also have speer gold dots and I just got a box of Federal 125 JHP. When I get the double tap I plan on doing a side by side test, I have access to a chronograph, and plan on hitting some phone books, water jugs, ply wood and anything else we can think of. I have not seen any yet but does Remington, Winchester, PMC or anyone else make 125's ( or anything else for that matter) for the 357 sig which is readily available? The more I have the more I shall test to see which performs "best". Yes a highly subjective term, I should say which one I am personally happiest and most confident with. Oh I will be shooting them out of a G33, I just ordered a 40 conversion barrel for it but I don't know how much use I will be getting out of it, probably just go shoot some and say, see how much "better" it is in 357 !! Or if I am feeling cheap and want to pick up some cheap ammo.
What are all your thoughts....

SKeefe 12-14-2004 22:52

Quote:

Originally posted by T Earl
I have not seen any yet but does Remington, Winchester, PMC or anyone else make 125's ( or anything else for that matter) for the 357 sig which is readily available?
Assuming you mean FMJ also...

Winchester makes 357Sig in the white box, Remington makes it in the UMC yellow box, and PMC has some as well (and I believe all three make JHPs as well).

NitLion 12-15-2004 08:13

T Earl,

Here's a partial list of what's out there:


1.) Advanced Ammunition - 124g - CMJ
2.) Advanced Ammunition - 124g - HP (Nosler)
3.) Alabama Ammo Inc. - 125g - JHP
4.) Appalachian Ammunition Inc. - 125g - JHP (RL)
**5.) Atlanta Arms & Ammo - 124g - FP TCJ (RL)
6.) Big Bear Firepower - 125g - JFP
7.) Birds-n-Bullets - 124g - FMP (RL)
**8.) Bitterroot Valley Ammunition - 125g - JHP
9.) Bitterroot Valley Ammunition - 121g - JSP (RL)
10.) Bitterroot Valley Ammunition - 125g - FMJ (RL)
11.) Blue Ridge Cartridge - 124g - CPFP
12.) Buffalo Bore - 125g - FMJ
13.) Buffalo Bore - 125g - JHC
14.) Buffalo Bore - 125g - Barnes TAC-XP
**15.) CCI Speer Blazer - 125g - TMJ
16.) CCI Speer Lawman -125g - TMJ
17.) CCI Speer Lawman RHT - 100g - frangible
18.) CCI Speer Gold Dot - 125g - GDHP (23918 and 53918)
19.) CCI Speer LE Gold Dot - 125g - GDHP (54234)
20.) CCI Speer Lawmen - 125g - TMJCF (clean-fire)
21.) Clark Custom Cartridge Company -100g - incendiary
**22.) CNC Cartridge - 124g - FMJ
**23.) CNC Cartridge - 124g - JHP
**24.) CNC Cartridge - 102g golden sabre - JHP
**25.) Collins Cartridge Comp. - 125g - FMJ (RL)
26.) Colorado Custom Cartridge - 115g - FMJ
27.) Corbon - 115g - JHP
28.) Corbon - 125g - JHP
29.) Corbon DPX- 125g - DPX
30.) Corbon Pow'R Ball - 100gr - PB
**31.) Corbon BeeSafe - 91g - BS
32.) County Line High Grade - 147g - HP CMJ (RL)
33.) Crooked Creek Arms - 125g - JHP
**34.) Dead Zero Ammunition - 125g - XTP
35.) Detroit Ammunition Co. - 147g - HP (subsonic)(RL)
36.) Detroit Bullet Works - 124g - HP(plated)(RL)
37.) DFA - 85g - Nylon ( lead free )
38.) DoubleTap - 125g - JHP
39.) DoubleTap - 125g - FMJ
40.) DoubleTap - 115g - JHP
41.) DoubleTap - 147g - JHP
42.) DoubleTap - 147g - FMJ
43.) DoubleTap - 80g - Barnes TAC-XP
44.) DoubleTap - 115g - Barnes TAC-XP
45.) DoubleTap - 115g - Nosler JHP
46.) DoubleTap - 180g - WFNGC hardcast
47.) Dynamic Research Technologies(DRT) - 85g - HP
48.) Eagle Brand Ammo - 125g - FMJFP
49.) Extreme Shock Air Freedom - 85gr - AF
50.) Extreme Shock Enhanced Penetration - 115g -frangible
**51.) Extreme Shock - 90g - FFJHP
52.) Extreme Shock - 124g - FFJHP
53.) Extreme Shock-90g-JPT-(lead free-frangible)
54.) Federal American Eagle - 125g - FMJ
55.) Federal - 125g - FMJ
56.) Federal - 125g - JHP
**57.) Federal - 150g - JHP
58.) Federal - 100g - CC BallistiClean
59.) Federal - 125g - HSTJHP
60.) Federal - 125g - THP (Tactical HP - bonded)
61.) Fiocchi - 124g - FMJ
62.) Fiocchi - 124g -XTPHP
63.) Fiocchi - 100g - SFN frangible
64.) G2 Research R.I.P. - 92g - RIP HP
65.) Georgia Arms - 125g - FMJ (RL)
66.) Georgia Arms - 125g - GDHP (RL)
67.) Glaser - Blue - 80g - Safety Slug
68.) Glaser - Silver - 80g - Safety Slug
69.) Good To Go Ammunition - 124g - FMJ
70.) Good To Go Ammunition - 125g - Barnes TAC-XP
71.) Grizzly Cartridge Company - 90g - JHP
72.) Grizzly Cartridge Company - 124g - JHP
73.) Grizzly Cartridge Company - 124g - FMJ-FP
74.) Grizzly Cartridge Company - 147g - JHP
75.) Grizzly Cartridge Company - 110g - Extreme (JHP)
76.) Highland Lakes Ammo - 125g - FNMJ
77.) Highland Lakes Ammo - 124g - XTPHP
78.) Hornady - 115g - FXT (critical defense)
79.) Hornady - 124g - JHP
80.) Hornady - 147g - JHP
81.) Hornady - 124g - TAP CQ
82.) Hornady - 147g - TAP CQ
83.) Hornady - 135g - FlexLock (critical duty)
84.) Hunting Shack Munitions - 124g - PFP (plated flat point) (RL)
85.) Hunting Shack Munitions - 125g - TMJ (Speer)(RL)
**86.) Ike's Custom Ammunition - 124g - FP
**87.) Ike's Custom Ammunition - 147 - HP - XTP
88.) International Cartridge Corp. - 100g - HP - frangible( Green Elite TR)
89.) International Cartridge Corp - 100g - FP -NT-frangible ( Green Elite NT)
90.) J&J Ammunition - 124g - PHP (RL)
91.) J&J Ammunition - 124g - HBFP (RL)
**92.) Lancer Custom - 125g - FMJ
**93.) Lancer Custom - 125g - XTP
**94.) Lancer Custom - 125g - JHP
95.) Lehigh Defense - 115g - Xtreme Penetrator
96.) Load-X - 124g - TMJ
97.) Load-X - 115g - JHP
98.) Load-X - 124g - JHP
99.) M & M Reloads - 124g - CPFP (RL)
100.) Magsafe Ammo, Inc. - 64g - Defender
101.) Magsafe Ammo, Inc - 45g - Swat
102.) Maine Cartridge Company - 147g - JHP (RL)
103.) Master Cartridge - 125g - FMJ (RL)
104.) Mid-South Munitions - 125g - FMJ
105.) Mid-South Munitions - 125g - JHP
106.) Middle Creek Shooting Supply - 124g - FN (RL)
107.) Military Ballistics Industries - 124g - FMJ (RL)
108.) Miwall - 124g - TMJ (RL)
109.) Northern Hills Precision Ammo - 124g - HBFP (RL)
110.) Parabellum Research - 125g - FMJ (value line)(RL)
111.) Parabellum Research - 125g - JHP (value line)(RL)
112.) Parabellum Research - 125g - FMJ (premium line)
113.) Parabellum Research - 125g - JHP (premium line)
114.) Parabellum Research - 147g - FMJ (value line)(RL)
115.) Parabellum Research - 147g - JHP (value line)(RL)
116.) Parabellum Research - 147g - FMJ (premium line)
117.) Parabellum Research - 147g - JHP (premium line)
**118.) PMC - 124g - FMJ
**119.) PMC Starfire - 125g - JHP
**120.) Precision Ammunition - 125g - JHP
**121.) Precision Ammunition - 100g - copper matrix NTF (non-toxic frangible)
122.) Precision Cartridge Inc - 125g - FMJ (RL)
123.) Precision Cartridge Inc - 100g -RNFP - frangible (RL)
124.) Precision One Ammunition - 125g - FMJ
125.) Precision One Ammunition - 125g - HP/XTP
126.) Prograde - 125g - Barnes TAC-XP
**127.) Pro-Load - 125g - JHP
128.) Prvi Partizan - 125g - FPJ
129.) RBCD - 60g - TFSP (total fragmenting soft point)
130.) RBCD - 50g - TDP - total fragmenting sp
131.) Reed's Ammo & Research - 90g - XTP
132.) Reed's Ammo & Research - 115g - XTP
133.) Reed's Ammo & Research - 124g - XTP
134.) Reed's Ammo & Research - 147g - XTP
135.) Reed's Ammo & research - 124g - Gold Sabre
136.) Remington - 125g - JHP
137.) Remington Gold Sabre - 125g - BJHP
138.) Remington Disintegrator - 104g - plated frangible
139.) Remington Disintegrator CTF - 100g - Frangible
140.) RWS - 100g - copper matrix NTF
141.) SBR - 124g - FMJ SRVT (short range visible tracer)
142.) SBR - 124r - FMJ ERVT (extended range visible tracer)
143.) SBR - 147g - TCJ (Southern Ballistics Research)
144.) SBR - 130g - FMJ (TCJ) (Southern Ballistics Research)
145.) Sellier & Belliot - 140g - FMJ
146.) Sig Sauer - V-Crown - 125g - JHP
147.) Sillman Cartridge Company - 147g - FMJ
148.) Silver Bullet Munitions - 124g - FP (RL)
149.) Sperry Ballistics - 125g - FMJ
150.) Tennessee Cartridge Company - 125g - FMJ (RL)
**151.) Texas Ammunition Co. - 124g - FMJFP (RL)
152.) Trident Ammunition - 124g - JHP (RL)
**153.) Triton - 115g - QSHP
**154.) Triton - 125g - JHP
**155.) Triton - 135g - QSHP
156.) Ultramax - 125g - FMJ (RL)
157.) UMC - 125g - FMJ
158.) UMC - 125g - JHP
159.) Underwood Ammunition - 124g - HP (RL)
160.) Underwood Ammo - 125g - GDJHP
161.) Underwood Ammo - 125g - BFMJ
162.) Underwood Ammo - 125g - JHP (Sierra bullet)
163.) Underwood Ammo - 147g - GDJHP
164.) Underwood Ammo - 125g - TAC-XP
165.) Underwood Ammo - 115g - JHP
166.) Underwood Ammo - 124g - JHP - XTP
167.) Underwood Ammo - 115g - Xtreme Penetrator
168.) Ventura Tactical - 125g - TC (Truncated Cone)(RL)
169.) Village Tactical - 124g - CPFP
**170.) Wagner Acuswage - 125g - TMJ (RL)
171.) Washougal River Cartridge Company - 124g - TMJ (RL)
172.) Webb's Brass Assets - 124g - FP
173.) Winchester - 125g - FMJ
174.) Winchester - 125g - JHP
175.) Winchester - WinClean - 125g - BEB (brass enclosed base)
176.) Winchester Ranger - 125g - SXT
177.) Winchester Ranger - 125g - BJHP
178.) Winchester Ranger - 100g - SF - frangible
**179.) Winchester Super Clean NT - 105g - JSP
180.) Wisconsin Cartridge Corp. - 125g - FMJ (RL)
181.) Wisconsin Cartridge Corp. - 125g - HP (RL)

** - no longer manufactured
(RL) - remanufactured round

Links:


DoubleTap Ammunition
GTG Ammo
Underwood Ammo
Georgia Arms
Parabellum Research
Wisconsin Cartridge
Precision One Ammunition
Mid-South Munitions

Maybe we should make a sticky out of this list as I seem to post it quite frequently. G33???

SKeefe 12-15-2004 13:49

Quote:

Originally posted by NitLion
plus Double Tap is coming out with a practice load!!!
Pretty sure it's already out. :cool:

NitLion 12-15-2004 20:30

Right!! That whole section was cut and pasted from another ( much earlier ) thread... like I said, I seem to post this often.

Semore Butts 12-25-2004 21:49

Double Tap in .357 sig kicks ass.;f

Donut Gestapo 12-27-2004 13:18

Duh!

I have made the switch, too.

tgtshuter 12-30-2004 00:45

Looks like I'm gonna make the switch to Double Tap also.

Damn!! Wasn't too long ago I did my 200 round test with the Speers!!!;g :(

^2

wade farley 12-30-2004 12:59

Gold Dot
 
:cool: I've been using the Speer Gold Dots & Ranger SXT's for CCW rounds, but the DT looks interesting. Does anyone have the address to thier Website? Thank you, in advance. Have fun & stay safe! ;f ;f

bruce21b 12-30-2004 13:02

;z www.doubletapammo.com


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