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bruce21b 12-05-2004 17:48

Speer Gold Dot vs. Double Tap
 
Hey all,

does anyone know the difference between factory Speer Gold Dot and Double Tap Gold Dot as far as velocity f.p.s and ft. lbs. energy, if any??? thanks in advance:)

Donut Gestapo 12-05-2004 19:31

Double Tap:
3.5" barrel - 1415fps
4.5" barrel - 1525fps

Speer:
4.0" barrel - 1350fps

Both have the same Gold Dot Bullet

MCNETT 12-05-2004 20:16

Exactly!
-Mike

G33 12-05-2004 21:28

Years of Speer...Now carry the DT.;f

BillCola 12-05-2004 22:01

Quote:

Originally posted by G33
Years of Speer...Now carry the DT.;f
I consider that a more than sufficient recommendation...

G33 12-05-2004 23:20

;J ;C

bruce21b 12-06-2004 05:45

Just ordered a box of Gold Dots from Double Tap, cant wait to try them out, thanks:)

Highplainsman 12-07-2004 14:26

:( May have to try these! I have carried the Speers for quite awhile! ;P Ummm! Where do you guys get them?;Q

bruce21b 12-07-2004 14:44

www.doubletapammo.com

Highplainsman 12-07-2004 14:46

Nevermind! Just found the address in MCNETT's post!;a Oops! Caught your post a second late Bruce!;P

T Earl 12-14-2004 22:39

I just ordered some double tap, I got a box of the gold dot and a box of the FMJ to try it out. Should be here in a week, I also have speer gold dots and I just got a box of Federal 125 JHP. When I get the double tap I plan on doing a side by side test, I have access to a chronograph, and plan on hitting some phone books, water jugs, ply wood and anything else we can think of. I have not seen any yet but does Remington, Winchester, PMC or anyone else make 125's ( or anything else for that matter) for the 357 sig which is readily available? The more I have the more I shall test to see which performs "best". Yes a highly subjective term, I should say which one I am personally happiest and most confident with. Oh I will be shooting them out of a G33, I just ordered a 40 conversion barrel for it but I don't know how much use I will be getting out of it, probably just go shoot some and say, see how much "better" it is in 357 !! Or if I am feeling cheap and want to pick up some cheap ammo.
What are all your thoughts....

SKeefe 12-14-2004 22:52

Quote:

Originally posted by T Earl
I have not seen any yet but does Remington, Winchester, PMC or anyone else make 125's ( or anything else for that matter) for the 357 sig which is readily available?
Assuming you mean FMJ also...

Winchester makes 357Sig in the white box, Remington makes it in the UMC yellow box, and PMC has some as well (and I believe all three make JHPs as well).

NitLion 12-15-2004 08:13

T Earl,

Here's a partial list of what's out there:


1.) Advanced Ammunition - 124g - CMJ
2.) Advanced Ammunition - 124g - HP (Nosler)
3.) Alabama Ammo Inc. - 125g - JHP
**4.) Atlanta Arms & Ammo - 124g - FP TCJ (RL)
5.) Big Bear Firepower - 125g - JFP
6.) Birds-n-Bullets - 124g - FMP (RL)
**7.) Bitterroot Valley Ammunition - 125g - JHP
8.) Bitterroot Valley Ammunition - 121g - JSP (RL)
9.) Bitterroot Valley Ammunition - 125g - FMJ (RL)
10.) Blue Ridge Cartridge - 124g - CPFP
11.) Buffalo Bore - 125g - FMJ
12.) Buffalo Bore - 125g - JHC
13.) Buffalo Bore - 125g - Barnes TAC-XP
**14.) CCI Speer Blazer - 125g - TMJ
15.) CCI Speer Lawman -125g - TMJ
16.) CCI Speer Lawman RHT - 100g - frangible
17.) CCI Speer Gold Dot - 125g - GDHP (23918 and 53918)
18.) CCI Speer LE Gold Dot - 125g - GDHP (54234)
19.) CCI Speer Lawmen - 125g - TMJCF (clean-fire)
20.) Clark Custom Cartridge Company -100g - incendiary
**21.) CNC Cartridge - 124g - FMJ
**22.) CNC Cartridge - 124g - JHP
**23.) CNC Cartridge - 102g golden sabre - JHP
**24.) Collins Cartridge Comp. - 125g - FMJ (RL)
25.) Colorado Custom Cartridge - 115g - FMJ
26.) Corbon - 115g - JHP
27.) Corbon - 125g - JHP
28.) Corbon DPX- 125g - DPX
29.) Corbon Pow'R Ball - 100gr - PB
**30.) Corbon BeeSafe - 91g - BS
31.) Crooked Creek Arms - 125g - JHP
**32.) Dead Zero Ammunition - 125g - XTP
33.) Detroit Ammunition Co. - 147g - HP (subsonic)(RL)
34.) Detroit Bullet Works - 124g - HP(plated)(RL)
35.) DFA - 85g - Nylon ( lead free )
36.) DoubleTap - 125g - JHP
37.) DoubleTap - 125g - FMJ
38.) DoubleTap - 115g - JHP
39.) DoubleTap - 147g - JHP
40.) DoubleTap - 147g - FMJ
41.) DoubleTap - 80g - Barnes TAC-XP
42.) DoubleTap - 115g - Barnes TAC-XP
43.) DoubleTap - 115g - Nosler JHP
44.) DoubleTap - 180g - WFNGC hardcast
45.) Dynamic Research Technologies(DRT) - 85g - H
46.) Extreme Shock Air Freedom - 85gr - AF
47.) Extreme Shock Enhanced Penetration - 115g -frangible
**48.) Extreme Shock - 90g - FFJHP
49.) Extreme Shock - 124g - FFJHP
50.) Extreme Shock-90g-JPT-(lead free-frangible)
51) Federal American Eagle - 125g - FMJ
52.) Federal - 125g - FMJ
53.) Federal - 125g - JHP
**54.) Federal - 150g - JHP
55.) Federal - 100g - CC BallistiClean
56.) Federal - 125g - HSTJHP
57.) Federal - 125g - THP (Tactical HP - bonded)
58.) Fiocchi - 124g - FMJ
59.) Fiocchi - 124g -XTPHP
60.) Fiocchi - 100g - SFN frangible
61.) Glaser - Blue - 80g - Safety Slug
62.) Glaser - Silver - 80g - Safety Slug
63.) Georgia Arms - 125g - FMJ
64.) Georgia Arms - 125g - GDHP
65.) Good To Go Ammunition - 124g - FMJ
66.) Good To Go Ammunition - 125g - Barnes TAC-XP
67.) Grizzly Cartridge Company - 90g - JHP
68.) Grizzly Cartridge Company - 124g - JHP
69.) Grizzly Cartridge Company - 124g - FMJ-FP
70.) Grizzly Cartridge Company - 147g - JHP
71.) Grizzly Cartridge Company - 110g - Extreme (JHP)
72.) Hornady - 115g - FXT (critical defense)
73.) Hornady - 124g - JHP
74.) Hornady - 147g - JHP
75.) Hornady - 124g - TAP CQ
76.) Hornady - 147g - TAP CQ
77.) Hornady - 135g - FlexLock (critical duty)
78.) Hunting Shack Munitions - 124g - PFP (plated flat point) (RL)
79.) Hunting Shack Munitions - 125g - TMJ (Speer)(RL)
80.) Ike's Custom Ammunition - 124g - FP
81.) Ike's Custom Ammunition - 147 - HP - XTP
82.) International Cartridge Corp. - 100g - HP - frangible
83.) J&J Ammunition - 124g - PHP (RL)
**84.) Lancer Custom - 125g - FMJ
**85.) Lancer Custom - 125g - XTP
**86.) Lancer Custom - 125g - JHP
87.) Load-X - 124g - TMJ
88.) Load-X - 115g - JHP
89.) Load-X - 124g - JHP
90.) M & M Reloads - 124g - CPFP (RL)
91.) Magsafe Ammo, Inc. - 64g - Defender
92.) Magsafe Ammo, Inc - 45g - Swat
93.) Maine Cartridge Company - 147g - JHP (RL)
94.) Master Cartridge - 125g - FMJ (RL)
95.) Mid-South Munitions - 125g - FMJ
96.) Mid-South Munitions - 125g - JHP
97.) Middle Creek Shooting Supply - 124g - FN (RL)
98.) Military Ballistics Industries - 124g - FMJ (RL)
99.) Miwall - 124g - TMJ (RL)
100.) Parabellum Research - 125g - FMJ (value line)(RL)
101.) Parabellum Research - 125g - JHP (value line)(RL)
102.) Parabellum Research - 125g - FMJ (premium line)
103.) Parabellum Research - 125g - JHP (premium line)
104.) Parabellum Research - 147g - FMJ (value line)(RL)
105.) Parabellum Research - 147g - JHP (value line)(RL)
106.) Parabellum Research - 147g - FMJ (premium line)
107.) Parabellum Research - 147g - JHP (premium line)
**108.) PMC - 124g - FMJ
**109.) PMC Starfire - 125g - JHP
**110.) Precision Ammunition - 125g - JHP
**111.) Precision Ammunition - 100g - copper matrix NTF (non-toxic frangible)
112.) Precision Cartridge Inc - 125g - FMJ (RL)
113.) Precision Cartridge Inc - 100g -RNFP - frangible (RL)
114.) Precision One Ammunition - 125g - FMJ
115.) Precision One Ammunition - 125g - HP/XTP
116.) Prograde - 125g - Barnes TAC-XP
**117.) Pro-Load - 125g - JHP
118.) Prvi Partizan - 125g - FPJ
119.) RBCD - 60g - TFSP (total fragmenting soft point)
120.) Reeds's Ammo & Research - 90g - XTP
121.) Reeds's Ammo & Research - 115g - XTP
122.) Reeds's Ammo & Research - 124g - XTP
123.) Reeds's Ammo & Research - 147g - XTP
124.) Reed's Ammo & research - 124g - Gold Sabre
125.) Remington - 125g - JHP
126.) Remington Gold Sabre - 125g - BJHP
127.) Remington Disintegrator - 104g - plated frangible
128.) Remington Disintegrator CTF - 100g - Frangible
129.) RWS - 100g - copper matrix NTF
130.) SBR - 124g - FMJ SRVT (short range visible tracer)
131.) SBR - 124r - FMJ ERVT (extended range visible tracer)
132.) SBR - 147g - TCJ (Southern Ballistics Research)
133.) SBR - 130g - FMJ (TCJ) (Southern Ballistics Research)
134.) Sellier & Belliot - 140g - FMJ
135.) Sig Sauer - V-Crown - 125g - JHP
136.) Sillman Cartridge Company - 147g - FMJ
137.) Silver Bullet Munitions - 124g - FP (RL)
138.) Tennessee Cartridge Company - 125g - FMJ (RL)
**139.) Texas Ammunition Co. - 124g - FMJFP (RL)
**140.) Triton - 115g - JHP
**141.) Triton - 125g - JHP
**142.) Triton - 135g - JHP
143.) Ultramax - 125g - FMJ (RL)
144) UMC - 125g - FMJ
145.) UMC - 125g - JHP
146.) Underwood Ammunition - 124g - HP (RL)
147.) Underwood Ammunition - 125g - GDJHP
148.) Underwood Ammunition - 125g - BFMJ
149.) Underwood Ammunition - 125g - JHP (Sierra bullet)
150.) Underwood Ammunition - 147g - GDJHP
151.) Underwood Ammunition - 125g - TAC-XP
152.) Underwood Ammunition - 115g - JHP
153.) Underwood Ammunition - 124g - JHP - XTP
154.) Ventura Tactical - 125g - TC (Truncated Cone)(RL)
**155.) Wagner Acuswage - 125g - TMJ (RL)
156.) Webb's Brass Assets - 124g - FP
157.) Winchester - 125g - FMJ
158.) Winchester - 125g - JHP
159) Winchester - WinClean - 125g - BEB (brass enclosed base)
160.) Winchester Ranger - 125g - SXT
161.) Winchester Ranger - 125g - BJHP
162.) Winchester Ranger - 100g - SF - frangible
163.) Wisconsin Cartridge Corp. - 125g - FMJ (RL)

** - no longer manufactured
(RL) - remanufactured round

Links:


DoubleTap Ammunition
GTG Ammo
Underwood Ammo
Georgia Arms
Parabellum Research
Wisconsin Cartridge
Precision One Ammunition

Maybe we should make a sticky out of this list as I seem to post it quite frequently. G33???

SKeefe 12-15-2004 13:49

Quote:

Originally posted by NitLion
plus Double Tap is coming out with a practice load!!!
Pretty sure it's already out. :cool:

NitLion 12-15-2004 20:30

Right!! That whole section was cut and pasted from another ( much earlier ) thread... like I said, I seem to post this often.

Semore Butts 12-25-2004 21:49

Double Tap in .357 sig kicks ass.;f

Donut Gestapo 12-27-2004 13:18

Duh!

I have made the switch, too.

tgtshuter 12-30-2004 00:45

Looks like I'm gonna make the switch to Double Tap also.

Damn!! Wasn't too long ago I did my 200 round test with the Speers!!!;g :(

^2

wade farley 12-30-2004 12:59

Gold Dot
 
:cool: I've been using the Speer Gold Dots & Ranger SXT's for CCW rounds, but the DT looks interesting. Does anyone have the address to thier Website? Thank you, in advance. Have fun & stay safe! ;f ;f

bruce21b 12-30-2004 13:02

;z www.doubletapammo.com


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