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bruce21b 12-05-2004 16:48

Speer Gold Dot vs. Double Tap
 
Hey all,

does anyone know the difference between factory Speer Gold Dot and Double Tap Gold Dot as far as velocity f.p.s and ft. lbs. energy, if any??? thanks in advance:)

Donut Gestapo 12-05-2004 18:31

Double Tap:
3.5" barrel - 1415fps
4.5" barrel - 1525fps

Speer:
4.0" barrel - 1350fps

Both have the same Gold Dot Bullet

MCNETT 12-05-2004 19:16

Exactly!
-Mike

G33 12-05-2004 20:28

Years of Speer...Now carry the DT.;f

BillCola 12-05-2004 21:01

Quote:

Originally posted by G33
Years of Speer...Now carry the DT.;f
I consider that a more than sufficient recommendation...

G33 12-05-2004 22:20

;J ;C

bruce21b 12-06-2004 04:45

Just ordered a box of Gold Dots from Double Tap, cant wait to try them out, thanks:)

Highplainsman 12-07-2004 13:26

:( May have to try these! I have carried the Speers for quite awhile! ;P Ummm! Where do you guys get them?;Q

bruce21b 12-07-2004 13:44

www.doubletapammo.com

Highplainsman 12-07-2004 13:46

Nevermind! Just found the address in MCNETT's post!;a Oops! Caught your post a second late Bruce!;P

T Earl 12-14-2004 21:39

I just ordered some double tap, I got a box of the gold dot and a box of the FMJ to try it out. Should be here in a week, I also have speer gold dots and I just got a box of Federal 125 JHP. When I get the double tap I plan on doing a side by side test, I have access to a chronograph, and plan on hitting some phone books, water jugs, ply wood and anything else we can think of. I have not seen any yet but does Remington, Winchester, PMC or anyone else make 125's ( or anything else for that matter) for the 357 sig which is readily available? The more I have the more I shall test to see which performs "best". Yes a highly subjective term, I should say which one I am personally happiest and most confident with. Oh I will be shooting them out of a G33, I just ordered a 40 conversion barrel for it but I don't know how much use I will be getting out of it, probably just go shoot some and say, see how much "better" it is in 357 !! Or if I am feeling cheap and want to pick up some cheap ammo.
What are all your thoughts....

SKeefe 12-14-2004 21:52

Quote:

Originally posted by T Earl
I have not seen any yet but does Remington, Winchester, PMC or anyone else make 125's ( or anything else for that matter) for the 357 sig which is readily available?
Assuming you mean FMJ also...

Winchester makes 357Sig in the white box, Remington makes it in the UMC yellow box, and PMC has some as well (and I believe all three make JHPs as well).

NitLion 12-15-2004 07:13

T Earl,

Here's a partial list of what's out there:


1.) Advanced Ammunition - 124g - CMJ
2.) Advanced Ammunition - 124g - HP (Nosler)
3.) Alabama Ammo Inc. - 125g - JHP
**4.) Atlanta Arms & Ammo - 124g - FP TCJ (RL)
**5.) Bitterroot Valley Ammunition - 125g - JHP
6.) Bitterroot Valley Ammunition - 121g - JSP
7.) Bitterroot Valley Ammunition - 125g - FMJ
8.) Blue Ridge Cartridge - 124g - CPFP
9.) Buffalo Bore - 125g - FMJ
10.) Buffalo Bore - 125g - JHC
11.) Buffalo Bore - 125g - Barnes TAC-XP
**12.) CCI Speer Blazer - 125g - TMJ
13.) CCI Speer Lawman -125g - TMJ
14.) CCI Speer Lawman RHT - 100g - frangible
15.) CCI Speer Gold Dot - 125g - GDHP (23918 and 53918)
16.) CCI Speer LE Gold Dot - 125g - GDHP (54234)
17.) CCI Speer Lawmen - 125g - TMJCF (clean-fire)
18.) Clark Custom Cartridge Company -100g - incendiary
**19.) CNC Cartridge - 124g - FMJ
**20.) CNC Cartridge - 124g - JHP
**21.) CNC Cartridge - 102g golden sabre - JHP
**22.) Collins Cartridge Comp. - 125g - FMJ (RL)
23.) Corbon - 115g - JHP
24.) Corbon - 125g - JHP
25.) Corbon DPX- 125g - DPX
26.) Corbon Pow'R Ball - 100gr - PB
**27.) Corbon BeeSafe - 91g - BS
28.) Crooked Creek Arms - 125g - JHP
29.) Dead Zero Ammunition - 125g - XTP
30.) Detroit Ammunition Co. - 147g - HP (subsonic)
31.) DFA - 85g - Nylon ( lead free )
32.) DoubleTap - 125g - JHP
33.) DoubleTap - 125g - FMJ
34.) DoubleTap - 115g - JHP
35.) DoubleTap - 147g - JHP
36.) DoubleTap - 147g - FMJ
37.) DoubleTap - 80g - Barnes TAC-XP
38.) DoubleTap - 115g - Barnes TAC-XP
39.) DoubleTap - 115g - Nosler JHP
40.) DoubleTap - 180g - WFNGC hardcast
41.) Extreme Shock Air Freedom - 85gr - AF
42.) Extreme Shock Enhanced Penetration - 115g -frangible
**43.) Extreme Shock - 90g - FFJHP
44.) Extreme Shock - 124g - FFJHP
45.) Extreme Shock-90g-JPT-(lead free-frangible)
46.) Federal American Eagle - 125g - FMJ
47.) Federal - 125g - FMJ
48.) Federal - 125g - JHP
**49.) Federal - 150g - JHP
50.) Federal - 100g - CC BallistiClean
51.) Federal - 125g - HSTJHP
52.) Federal - 125g - THP (Tactical HP - bonded)
53.) Fiocchi - 124g - FMJ
54.) Fiocchi - 124g -XTPHP
55.) Fiocchi - 100g - SFN frangible
56.) Glaser - Blue - 80g - Safety Slug
57.) Glaser - Silver - 80g - Safety Slug
58.) Georgia Arms - 125g - FMJ
59.) Georgia Arms - 125g - GDHP
60.) Good To Go Ammunition - 124g - FMJ
61.) Good To Go Ammunition - 125g - Barnes TAC-XP
62.) Grizzly Cartridge Company - 90g - JHP
63.) Grizzly Cartridge Company - 124g - JHP
64.) Grizzly Cartridge Company - 124g - FMJ-FP
65.) Grizzly Cartridge Company - 147g - JHP
66.) Hornady - 115g - FXT (critical defense)
67.) Hornady - 124g - JHP
68.) Hornady - 147g - JHP
69.) Hornady - 124g - TAP CQ
70.) Hornady - 147g - TAP CQ
71.) Hornady - 135g - FlexLock (critical duty)
72.) Hunting Shack Ammunition - 124g - PFP (plated flat point) (RL)
73.) Ike's Custom Ammunition - 124g - FP
74.) Ike's Custom Ammunition - 147 - HP - XTP
75.) International Cartridge Corp. - 100g - HP - frangible
76.) J&J Ammunition - 124g - PHP (RL)
**77.) Lancer Custom - 125g - FMJ
**78.) Lancer Custom - 125g - XTP
**79.) Lancer Custom - 125g - JHP
80.) Load-X - 124g - TMJ
81.) Load-X - 115g - JHP
82.) Load-X - 124g - JHP
83.) M & M Reloads - 124g - CPFP
84.) Magsafe Ammo, Inc. - 64g - Defender
85.) Magsafe Ammo, Inc - 45g - Swat
86.) Maine Cartridge Company - 147g - JHP
87.) Master Cartridge - 125g - FMJ (RL)
88.) Mid-South Munitions - 125g - FMJ
89.) Mid-South Munitions - 125g - JHP
90.) Middle Creek Shooting Supply - 124g - FN (RL)
91.) Military Ballistics Industries - 124g - FMJ (RL)
92.) Miwall - 124g - TMJ (RL)
93.) Parabellum Research - 125g - FMJ (value line)(RL)
94.) Parabellum Research - 125g - JHP (value line)(RL)
95.) Parabellum Research - 125g - FMJ (premium line)
96.) Parabellum Research - 125g - JHP (premium line)
97.) Parabellum Research - 147g - FMJ (value line)(RL)
98.) Parabellum Research - 147g - JHP (value line)(RL)
99.) Parabellum Research - 147g - FMJ (premium line)
100.) Parabellum Research - 147g - JHP (premium line)
**101.) PMC - 124g - FMJ
**102.) PMC Starfire - 125g - JHP
**103.) Precision Ammunition - 125g - JHP
**104.) Precision Ammunition - 100g - copper matrix NTF (non-toxic frangible)
105.) Precision Cartridge Inc - 125g - FMJ (RL)
106) Precision Cartridge Inc - 100g -RNFP - frangible (RL)
107.) Precision One Ammunition - 125g - FMJ
108.) Prograde - 125g - Barnes TAC-XP
**109.) Pro-Load - 125g - JHP
110.) Prvi Partizan - 125g - FPJ
111.) RBCD - 60g - TFSP (total fragmenting soft point)
112.) Reeds's Ammo & Research - 90g - XTP
113.) Reeds's Ammo & Research - 115g - XTP
114.) Reeds's Ammo & Research - 124g - XTP
115.) Reeds's Ammo & Research - 147g - XTP
116.) Reed's Ammo & research - 124g - Gold Sabre
117.) Remington - 125g - JHP
118.) Remington Gold Sabre - 125g - BJHP
119.) Remington Disintegrator - 104g - plated frangible
120.) Remington Disintegrator CTF - 100g - Frangible
121.) RWS - 100g - copper matrix NTF
122.) SBR - 124g - FMJ SRVT (short range visible tracer)
123.) SBR - 124r - FMJ ERVT (extended range visible tracer)
124.) SBR - 147g - TCJ (Southern Ballistics Research)
125.) SBR - 130g - FMJ (TCJ) (Southern Ballistics Research)
126.) Sellier & Belliot - 140g - FMJ
127.) Sig Sauer - V-Crown - 125g - JHP
128.) Sillman Cartridge Company - 147g - FMJ
129.) Silver Bullet Munitions - 124g - FP
130.) Tennessee Cartridge Company - 125g - FMJ (RL)
131.) Texas Ammunition Co. - 124g - FMJFP (RL)
**132.) Triton - 115g - JHP
**133.) Triton - 125g - JHP
**134.) Triton - 135g - JHP
135.) Ultramax - 125g - FMJ (RL)
136) UMC - 125g - FMJ
137.) UMC - 125g - JHP
138.) Underwood Ammunition - 124g - HP (RL)
139.) Underwood Ammunition - 125g - GDJHP
140.) Underwood Ammunition - 125g - BFMJ
141.) Underwood Ammunition - 125g - JHP (Sierra bullet)
142.) Underwood Ammunition - 147g - GDJHP
143.) Underwood Ammunition - 125g - TAC-XP
144.) Ventura Tactical - 125g - TC (Truncated Cone)
**145.) Wagner Acuswage - 125g - TMJ (RL)
146.) Webb's Brass Assets - 124g - FP
147.) Winchester - 125g - FMJ
148.) Winchester - 125g - JHP
149) Winchester - WinClean - 125g - BEB (brass enclosed base)
150.) Winchester Ranger - 125g - SXT
151.) Winchester Ranger - 125g - BJHP
152.) Winchester Ranger - 100g - SF - frangible
153.) Wisconsin Cartridge Corp. - 125g - FMJ (RL)

** - no longer manufactured
(RL) - remanufactured round

Links:


DoubleTap Ammunition
GTG Ammo
Underwood Ammo
Georgia Arms
Parabellum Research
Wisconsin Cartridge
Precision One Ammunition

Maybe we should make a sticky out of this list as I seem to post it quite frequently. G33???

SKeefe 12-15-2004 12:49

Quote:

Originally posted by NitLion
plus Double Tap is coming out with a practice load!!!
Pretty sure it's already out. :cool:

NitLion 12-15-2004 19:30

Right!! That whole section was cut and pasted from another ( much earlier ) thread... like I said, I seem to post this often.

Semore Butts 12-25-2004 20:49

Double Tap in .357 sig kicks ass.;f

Donut Gestapo 12-27-2004 12:18

Duh!

I have made the switch, too.

tgtshuter 12-29-2004 23:45

Looks like I'm gonna make the switch to Double Tap also.

Damn!! Wasn't too long ago I did my 200 round test with the Speers!!!;g :(

^2

wade farley 12-30-2004 11:59

Gold Dot
 
:cool: I've been using the Speer Gold Dots & Ranger SXT's for CCW rounds, but the DT looks interesting. Does anyone have the address to thier Website? Thank you, in advance. Have fun & stay safe! ;f ;f

bruce21b 12-30-2004 12:02

;z www.doubletapammo.com

wade farley 12-30-2004 23:51

:cool: Thanks Bruce! Have fun & stay safe!;f

T Earl 01-03-2005 20:58

Went out today, indoor range shot holes in paper only.
Put about 1/2 box of Federal 125 grain thru the G33, shot real nice.
Put about 1/2 box of double tap 125 FMJ thru it, much more kick, can't wait to chrono it, shot real nice, very hot load !!!
Swapped out to the 40 barrel, put 50 blazer FMJ's thru it I think 155 grain. This was the first time I used the 40 barrel, and only the third time I took the gun out. Shooting the 40 at first felt like a bb gun, I was just comming off the double tap 357 remember.
Anyhow after that I swapped barrels back and put some double tap 357 gold dots thru it. Hello !!!!
After all that I picked up my 9 and shot some white box 115, now that was like, oh man is this even going off. I can't wait to chrono this 357 stuff and shoot up some things ( like phone boooks, cans of water etc. ) to compare the different loads. So far I love this thing !!

NitLion 01-17-2005 17:30

Above list updated...

Big Bird 01-24-2005 14:36

Simply no comparison. I shot 2 boxes of Double Tap in my Sig 229, my 239 and my G32...it fed without a hitch and the accuracy and velocity are impressive. It felt like I had a real .357 S&W Magnum in my hands! When the weather gets nice I'll run some over my chrony...but for the time being all I can say this stuff is hot. Not dangerously so...but its potent stuff. If you have the jack and can afford to feed your guns a steady diet of DT, I recommend going to a heavier recoil spring. Speer GD loads pale in comparison!
McNett will be getting my order for 500 rounds at the end of the month!

fiat_justicia 02-07-2005 09:46

Add me to the users that has switched to DT exclusively in my G33.


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