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cysoto 03-18-2013 13:21

I Am Not a "Sheepdog"
 
I saw this video posted on another forum. What do you folks think?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=AldptFMs2AM

Spiffums 03-18-2013 13:35

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Originally Posted by cysoto (Post 20100590)
I saw this video posted on another forum. What do you folks think?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=AldptFMs2AM


I'm not either. I have no duty or obligation to protect anyone outside of my family. Why open myself to personal and financial harm for someone else who won't take their personal defense seriously and they would most likely not pee in my ear if my head was on fire if the shoe was on the other foot.

Glock20 10mm 03-18-2013 13:38

I agree with his prose. Makes perfect sense and pretty much my stance as well.

mustang6112 03-18-2013 13:39

he makes some valid points, but he could have done it in about 2 minutes vice the seven+ that he blathered on...

AK_Stick 03-18-2013 13:42

Sounds likes he's trying to justify his stance to himself. Sad way to go through life.

cysoto 03-18-2013 13:43

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Originally Posted by mustang6112 (Post 20100639)
he makes some valid points, but he could have done it in about 2 minutes vice the seven+ that he blathered on...

Yes, that is very true; his video could have been shorter.

I too believe that he makes some valid points and I find it interesting that, on the other forum where this was posted, many people responding called him a coward for choosing not to protect others.

I don't know, I just thought that is would be interesting to see what the good folks of GT had to say about the video...

Stock45 03-18-2013 13:45

I always thought the sheepdog thing was cheesy, and wondered if the guys that posted about it had just finished a 3hr session of COD on the XBox.

ChiefWPD 03-18-2013 13:48

The YouTube video is a well reasoned discussion on the practical aspects of a civilian responding to a possible shots-fired situation.

I believe that person to be correct in his assessment of the dangers of becoming involved in a stranger on stranger shooting.

mustang6112 03-18-2013 13:49

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Originally Posted by Stock45 (Post 20100660)
I always thought the sheepdog thing was cheesy, and wondered if the guys that posted about it had just finished a 3hr session of COD on the XBox.

Nope, I prefer NHL12...

eagle359 03-18-2013 15:19

The courts have ruled many times that not even the police have the duty to protect you. I have read this guys blog and he seems to have his head screwed on pretty straight.

Rooster Rugburn 03-18-2013 15:20

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Originally Posted by Stock45 (Post 20100660)
I always thought the sheepdog thing was cheesy, and wondered if the guys that posted about it had just finished a 3hr session of COD on the XBox.

The sheepdog thing isn't "cheesy", it's childish. It's desperately seeking admiration.

He is right about 'not knowing what is going on'. A mass shooting in a mall is one thing. Intervening in a situation in a parking lot at Wal Mart is another. As soon as a stranger steps in, it will turn out to be a domestic violence situation, which is hard enough on cops, and both parties will turn on the "Sheepdog".

In our HCP class, the example of stepping into a gunfight was demonstrated, and the results were that you don't know who is who, or what is what, and Bubba gets a new roommate. It's best to mind your own business.

I would try to act to stop an obvious abduction\kidnapping of a child or female, but I don't go out looking to be Matt Dillon. But hey, if others want to take the risks to try and be a hero, more power to them.

RonS 03-18-2013 15:23

I once was a sheepdog, for about 4 years. I got tired of herding sheep and seeing the same drunk/stoned coyotes every Saturday night so I did something else with my life, something that pays better and doesn't leave me disgusted with the stupidity of sheep.

tsmo1066 03-18-2013 15:25

The "Sheepdog" analogy is interesting in that sheepdogs don't defend other people's flocks. They look out for their own flock first and foremost.

I view myself as a "sheepdog" in this respect. I protect my own family first, foremost and always.

Will I help another person if the situation permits? YES. Will I do so if it means placing a member of my family in harm's way, or leaving them unprotected while I go off chasing danger in an uncertain and dangerous situation? NO.

fnfalman 03-18-2013 15:27

I'm not a sheepdog. I'm a lion!!! Roarrrr!!!

Short Cut 03-18-2013 15:33

More like a lesbian cougar. :supergrin:

hogfish 03-18-2013 15:34

He sounds like he has chosen not to interfere in any situation involving firearms, unless to defend himself and/or his. He also talks about different situations in which he sort of hints that he might interfere, but he's not clear about it. His choice, whatever it is. I thank him for his military service.

Short Cut 03-18-2013 15:38

I'm not going to arbitrarily draw lines on what I will and won't do. It depends on the situation. I'm not going out of my way to be a hero, but like Rooster said, you see a kid being abducted or molested, a guy starts hacking people with a machete in the grocery isle your in.... It's stuff like that which prevents me from saying I wouldn't ever help others.

packeagle 03-18-2013 16:02

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Originally Posted by Short Cut (Post 20100965)
I'm not going to arbitrarily draw lines on what I will and won't do. It depends on the situation. I'm not going out of my way to be a hero, but like Rooster said, you see a kid being abducted or molested, a guy starts hacking people with a machete in the grocery isle your in.... It's stuff like that which prevents me from saying I wouldn't ever help others.

Exactly, it needs to be cut and dry before I'd take action. There are supposed to be legal protections if you do shoot in defence of another, but I do t trust them.

Arc Angel 03-18-2013 16:17

Good overall attitude, but, sometimes, just plain good old fashioned human decency can force you into action. You might not want to get involved; I might not want to get involved, either; but there are times when stepping in is just the right thing to do. Sometimes ya just got 'a call um like you see um, and hope for the best. ;)

NeverMore1701 03-18-2013 16:28

The only thing that word brings to mind is nuttinfancy, god help us.


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