Originally Posted by EL_NinO619
What do you mean, Freak thinks the 1050 sucks? Come on really!!
That was probably the words I uttered out of frustration at things not working as I expected, pressure of trying to meet demand, me trying to rush along to get things moving and having things break, while witnessing everything I did to build a business come crashing down and affecting my family and customers due to my incompetence.
I have read some of his post on Calguns he states its not needed to produce the same volume of ammo (almost) But I have never heard anyone saying the 1050 sucks, let alone that a 650 is better.
The 1050 doesn't suck and the 650 is a better choice in some situations, but not a better press than the 1050.
The 1050 has these tangible advantages over the 650:
- Faster cycle because it primes on the downstroke. Every operation happens at the same time. 650 has the "push forward" priming which slows the operation down.
- More toolhead room. I got a competition shooter setup with a 1050, bullet feeder, and powder check die. Toolhead looks like this: case feed, size, swage, prime, powder, powder check, bullet feed, seat/crimp. You can't do that on a 650 toolhead.
- Primer pocket swage handles military brass from 9mm, .45 ACP, 5.56 and 7.62 brass. It also comes in handy as a check to ensure the primer is removed in station 2 so you don't have a primer detonation in station 4. Yes it happens and I've got the holes in my ceiling to prove it.
The 650 is better than the 1050 if you want high production but lower cost. Not everyone can afford the price of the 1050. That's fine. The 650 has a lifetime warranty whereas the 1050 only has a one year. The caliber changes and associated equipment are cheaper for the 650 than the 1050.
Don't buy into the "commercial grade machine" nonsense of the 1050 marketing. There is nothing else like it on the market, so Dillon doesn't need the warranty to be a competitor. Lee doesn't make anything competitive, neither does Redding, RCBS, Hornady, CH4D, Lyman. You've got progressive presses, you've got the 1050 which is better than the rest, then you get into Camdex or AmmoLoad machines.