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sjfrellc 12-27-2012 18:41

What do you remember about the 1994 ban?
 
Back in the days, everything was grandfathered. How long after 1994 were pre-ban magazines still sold by the major online retailers? I can't remember but I thought it was forever.
I think the 30 round magazine is the lightening rod of the antis vs. the pro 2As against te tyranny of the Govn't. Don't think they will be grandfathered next time around.

Ruggles 12-27-2012 19:29

1994 not a lot of anything sold on the internet.

Gun shows and gun shops were the main source. They were fairly plentiful in Houston at shows but were $100 or more a piece. The entire 1994 ban just sucked if you wanted anything over 10 rounds. All of your new handguns would come with 10 round mags. Felt wrong buying a Beretta 92 with a 10 round mags for example.

Of course that helped lead me to the 1911 platform so it did have it's upside :)

I do disagree with you they will be Grandfathered this time as well. I have not seen anything saying otherwise in any proposed legislation.

bernie herd 12-27-2012 21:08

Sig 229 .40 cal 12 round mags were $100 each then.

20South 12-27-2012 21:13

I remember Glock 20 Mags going for $125-$150.

Z28ricer 12-27-2012 21:15

IIRC Glock "high cap" mags were around $80 ea in 2001ish ?

To be honest, about an hour after our idiots, err I mean presidents "speach" on the sandy shooting, I ordered 10 magpul 30s for myself, as well as the 2 my brother requested.

concretefuzzynuts 12-27-2012 21:41

The ugly thumbstock guns.

cowboy1964 12-27-2012 21:55

Yeah, there really were no online stores back then. I bought my extra mags at the local gun shop. HK USP mags were about $25 (before the ban, generally about $75-100 within a year or two after, IIRC).

GAFinch 12-27-2012 22:01

I remember seeing A2-style AR's on tv all through high school and went to buy one when I turned 18, not aware of all the particulars of the AWB (no internet back then), and the guy at the gun shop shook his head, told me the post-ban ones just weren't the same, and let me shoot a pre-ban AK rental a couple times so I could see what he meant.

spork 12-27-2012 22:32

I was able to use department letterhead for some of my mag needs, but as a collector I had to scrounge the market for everything else.

Pre-ban mags could range from 60 dollars (used 226 9mm) to $160 (rare G20 pre-bans).

Retailers like CDNN still had pre-ban mags for various pistol models on sale up until near the end of the ban, but they usually ran from $99 dollars and up.

Some were just hard to get no matter what. You just had to watch the auction sites and hit the gun shows.

As far as rifles, well that varied widely. Typical prices for most pre-ban rifles were double what they had been previous to the ban, but it could vary. Most any pre-ban rifle could still be found if one looked hard enough, but cost was a factor.

lawman800 12-27-2012 23:21

We have our own AWB which was enacted before the federal AWB and then updated throughout the years and it never expired so the federal AWB never impacted us really other than to limit available supplies outside of CA. Starting with the federal ban, newly manufactured magazines were banned, but we can still buy from existing stock.

I recall unscrupulous dealers, circa 1993-95, stealing mags out of gun boxes and selling customers the gun with only 1 mag and then charging $50-75 for the other mag(s) which were supposed to already come with the gun.

It got so bad, some of you may recall that Para-Ordnance, and some other gun brands, back then actually only shipped their guns with 1 mag and included a certificate for you to redeem up to 2 more mags with proof of purchase, e.g. receipt.

Then the same dealers figured out they would just "buy" the guns themselves, redeem the certificates for the mags, sell the guns as new since the customer never would know the difference, and not mention anything about the certificates, then sell the redeemed magazines for a profit, figuring most gun buyers probably wouldn't know about it, unless they read the gun magazines regularly.

Then in 2000, all mags over 10 rounds were banned, period, new or old. No manufacturing, importation, sales, allowed for anyone who is not exempt. Fully licensed FFL dealers had to get a separate "high capacity magazine" permit if they wanted to continue selling these mags to LE... who are basically the exempt people who can still buy regular capacity magazines.

Existing magazines legally acquired before the ban are all legal, but cannot be used in weapons which are CA compliant. So if you have a post-ban CA AR/AK or whatever evil rifle, you can't use any mag over 10 rounds or else you face a felony charge for "manufacturing" a new assault weapon under CA law. BTW, CA compliant evil rifle means the magazine is "locked" and cannot be ejected freely with the original magazine release.

CA people can still buy magazine "repair kits" of any capacity which are just magazines taken apart, and used to replace or repair existing legal magazines but if you put a kit together instead of using it as parts for an existing magazine, that is a felony as well. Yeah, go ahead and try to enforce that one.

Sorry for the long post... just wanted to get the information out to those who are in the free states as to what CA residents had to live with for more than a decade already.

One thing I remember is how the look of the AR's all changed with all the carbine uppers matched to full sized stock A2 lowers, without flash hiders and bayonet lugs. Totally retarded looking. The FN-FAL and the like came with thumb hole stocks, as did a lot of AK's. Man, it was an ugly period... sorta like the 70's, except for guns instead of fashion.

Ruggles 12-27-2012 23:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by lawman800 (Post 19788310)
We have our own AWB which was enacted before the federal AWB and then updated throughout the years and it never expired so the federal AWB never impacted us really other than to limit available supplies outside of CA. Starting with the federal ban, newly manufactured magazines were banned, but we can still buy from existing stock.

I recall unscrupulous dealers, circa 1993-95, stealing mags out of gun boxes and selling customers the gun with only 1 mag and then charging $50-75 for the other mag(s) which were supposed to already come with the gun.

It got so bad, some of you may recall that Para-Ordnance, and some other gun brands, back then actually only shipped their guns with 1 mag and included a certificate for you to redeem up to 2 more mags with proof of purchase, e.g. receipt.

Then the same dealers figured out they would just "buy" the guns themselves, redeem the certificates for the mags, sell the guns as new since the customer never would know the difference, and not mention anything about the certificates, then sell the redeemed magazines for a profit, figuring most gun buyers probably wouldn't know about it, unless they read the gun magazines regularly.

Then in 2000, all mags over 10 rounds were banned, period, new or old. No manufacturing, importation, sales, allowed for anyone who is not exempt. Fully licensed FFL dealers had to get a separate "high capacity magazine" permit if they wanted to continue selling these mags to LE... who are basically the exempt people who can still buy regular capacity magazines.

Existing magazines legally acquired before the ban are all legal, but cannot be used in weapons which are CA compliant. So if you have a post-ban CA AR/AK or whatever evil rifle, you can't use any mag over 10 rounds or else you face a felony charge for "manufacturing" a new assault weapon under CA law. BTW, CA compliant evil rifle means the magazine is "locked" and cannot be ejected freely with the original magazine release.

CA people can still buy magazine "repair kits" of any capacity which are just magazines taken apart, and used to replace or repair existing legal magazines but if you put a kit together instead of using it as parts for an existing magazine, that is a felony as well. Yeah, go ahead and try to enforce that one.

Sorry for the long post... just wanted to get the information out to those who are in the free states as to what CA residents had to live with for more than a decade already.

One thing I remember is how the look of the AR's all changed with all the carbine uppers matched to full sized stock A2 lowers, without flash hiders and bayonet lugs. Totally retarded looking. The FN-FAL and the like came with thumb hole stocks, as did a lot of AK's. Man, it was an ugly period... sorta like the 70's, except for guns instead of fashion.

Oh yeah I remember that removing of the 2nd mag to resell by dealers as well. That sucked.

countrygun 12-28-2012 00:53

I remember that I wasn't allowed to buy a "new" AK with all those dangerous features and horrible high cap mag, but I was able to take my munificent stipend from a 6+ week long stint on jury duty on a major trial, and order a CETME in 7.62 NATO and all the 20 rd mags I wanted, but it was considered "safe" for some reason. Probably because they had removed the dangerous flash hider and replaced it with a muzzle brake, which allowed me to put rounds on target faster.

I never figured that out, I guess I am not the gun expert that the politicians are :dunno:

Glockdude1 12-28-2012 05:31

Glock 18 mags were selling for $300 at some gun shops.

:cool:

collim1 12-28-2012 09:29

I remember lots of jams in my Beretta 92fs using the 10rd mags it came with.

I remember having to get the Sheriff to sign an authorization form stating that I was buying a gun or magazines for LE related work before I could order standard capacity magazines.

I remember paying $50 bucks for a pre ban 15rd Beretta magazine that had seen better days.

Most of all I remember seeing a convicted felon in possession of a fully automatic AK47 with 40rd magazines with no regard what so ever for the AWB laws he was breaking when he committed a robbery and led officers on a high speed chase.

The AWB was useless and made it difficult for lots of honest people to enjoy their favorite sport and protect themselves.

WoodenPlank 12-28-2012 10:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by collim1 (Post 19789278)
I remember lots of jams in my Beretta 92fs using the 10rd mags it came with.

I remember having to get the Sheriff to sign an authorization form stating that I was buying a gun or magazines for LE related work before I could order standard capacity magazines.

I remember paying $50 bucks for a pre ban 15rd Beretta magazine that had seen better days.

Most of all I remember seeing a convicted felon in possession of a fully automatic AK47 with 40rd magazines with no regard what so ever for the AWB laws he was breaking when he committed a robbery and led officers on a high speed chase.

The AWB was useless and made it difficult for lots of honest people to enjoy their favorite sport and protect themselves.

Yet the folks screaming for gun bans will never listen to any of this. They think the can wish guns away, and we will exist in a peaceful utopia.

lawman800 12-28-2012 11:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by collim1 (Post 19789278)
I remember lots of jams in my Beretta 92fs using the 10rd mags it came with.

I remember having to get the Sheriff to sign an authorization form stating that I was buying a gun or magazines for LE related work before I could order standard capacity magazines.

I remember paying $50 bucks for a pre ban 15rd Beretta magazine that had seen better days.

Most of all I remember seeing a convicted felon in possession of a fully automatic AK47 with 40rd magazines with no regard what so ever for the AWB laws he was breaking when he committed a robbery and led officers on a high speed chase.

The AWB was useless and made it difficult for lots of honest people to enjoy their favorite sport and protect themselves.

Oh yeah, I remember the exemption for LE and how a lot of stores have no idea how to administer it and some just asked to see your ID and others wanted a copy of the ID and some asked for official letterhead from Chief to authorize you to buy the magazines. Guess which stores got everyone's business?

para40 12-28-2012 11:54

"What do you remember about the 1994 ban?"


Things were much much safer. :whistling: :cool:

captcurly 12-28-2012 14:12

Glock 19s with 10rd mags. The entire 1994 ban was a PIA for everybody and it did nothing to reduce crime. Just check the stats to verify this. I am just glad that I got all the mags and everything else I will need.

kirgi08 12-28-2012 14:22

$600 + AR beta mags.'08. :faint:

cpham9006 12-28-2012 14:26

Nothing. I was 4 years old

Dreamliner787 12-28-2012 14:31

Buying pistols and getting stupid 10 round mags instead of the standard capacity that the pistol was designed for.

lawman800 12-28-2012 15:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by captcurly (Post 19790264)
Glock 19s with 10rd mags. The entire 1994 ban was a PIA for everybody and it did nothing to reduce crime. Just check the stats to verify this. I am just glad that I got all the mags and everything else I will need.

The G19 was not as ridiculous as seeing full sized guns like the G17 and Beretta 92FS with piddly 10 rounders which were either blocked off or single column.

Why even bother with those guns if you are limited to the same capacity as a smaller or lighter gun?

Jason D 12-28-2012 15:56

I remember dealers here stripping full capacity magazine from guns that people brought in to sell. Glock 17's sold without magazines for new gun prices, and magazines being 80 bucks a pop for well used mags. Those could be found right up until the ban sunset.

I remember the GI AR magazines and M14 magazines being fairly plentiful and being at just about any gun show. I don't recall the AR magazines being much above 15-20 bucks. The M14 magazines were 50 to 60.

I remember magazines for the larger Glock pistols being well over 100 bucks. Mostly around 150 or so.


I remember neutered AR rifles being sold. At the time Bushmaster was still shipping ever rifle with 30 round magazines....(1998-99 or so).

NEOH212 12-28-2012 23:26

The two most memorable things for me about the ban were that it did nothing to reduce crime and it drove the prices of all the good stuff through the roof.

:steamed:

cowboy1964 12-29-2012 00:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by lawman800 (Post 19790545)
The G19 was not as ridiculous as seeing full sized guns like the G17 and Beretta 92FS with piddly 10 rounders which were either blocked off or single column.

Why even bother with those guns if you are limited to the same capacity as a smaller or lighter gun?

Well, you still have a larger grip, longer barrel, and sight radius. But yes, it's pretty silly, overall.


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