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Brooklyn123456 12-10-2012 19:20

9mm Gold Dot +P Shooting in Queens NY
 
Detectives in Queens Kill Man Pointing a Pellet Gun


Two plainclothes detectives fatally shot a man on a darkened Queens corner after he came at them — pointing what appeared to be a semiautomatic pistol, the police said Sunday.



The detectives, members of a narcotics unit, had been making an arrest at the corner of Gates and Seneca Avenues in Ridgewood around 10:45 Saturday night when the man emerged from a car, pulled the weapon from his waistband and pointed it at the officers, according to Paul J. Browne, the Police Department’s chief spokesman.



The black weapon turned out to be a pellet gun, though the police said it resembled a Glock 19 pistol. The pellet gun, a Walther CP99, is illegal in the city, the police added.



Neither the man, who was 42, nor the detectives, who are 48 and 42, were otherwise identified.



The deadly episode came toward the end of a year marked by high-profile police shootings, including ones outside the Empire State Building and near Times Square. As in those cases, the police said the detectives on Saturday believed that the man posed an imminent danger to officers or others, prompting the use of force.



Just before shots were fired, the detectives were arresting a man, Nolan Rivera, whom they suspected of selling narcotics.



Mr. Rivera told investigators that the man with the gun “appeared out of nowhere,” according to an account given by Mr. Browne.



As the two detectives were facing Mr. Rivera, handcuffed under an awning, he saw the man approach and draw a weapon.



“What’s going on?” the man said, according to the police account. “They’re cops, you idiot,” Mr. Rivera called out, according to that account. The detectives then turned, saw the weapon pointed at them and opened fire, the police said — one firing five times, the other firing once — hitting the man three times in the torso and leg. He was pronounced dead at Wyckoff Heights Medical Center.



There did not appear to be a connection between Mr. Rivera and the dead man, though Mr. Rivera told the police that he had seen him in the neighborhood.



(Mr. Rivera, who was not harmed in the shooting, was taken to the hospital because detectives suspected he had swallowed a quantity of crack cocaine just before his arrest. He was charged with drug possession and sales, and tampering with evidence.)



Mr. Browne said that the dead man had a lengthy police record dating to 1983.Witnesses told investigators they had seen the man emerge from a dark sedan, possibly a livery cab, seconds before the shooting. Investigators were still seeking the sedan’s driver.



“I heard the shots but I didn’t really pay attention to it,” said Florencio Susano, who owns Seneca Pizza down the block from where the shooting occurred. “I thought somebody was playing around.”



Mr. Susano said he had to sleep in the pizzeria overnight because his car, parked nearby, was within the perimeter of the crime scene.







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Police gun down man after he flashes BB gun
Police were investigating Sunday night whether the dead man with an epic rap sheet had arrived on the scene of the arrest thinking he had opportunity to rob some robbers — but they turned out to be plain-clothes narcotics detectives.

By Vera Chinese , Rocco Parascandola , Shane Dixon Kavanaugh AND Stephen Rex Brown — Monday, December 10th, 2012 ‘The New York Daily News’





Two undercover NYPD detectives shot and killed a career criminal Saturday night after he flashed a BB gun at the officers as they arrested a friend of his, an alleged drug dealer.


“They're cops, you idiot,” the alleged drug dealer, Nolan Rivera, 33, told his 42-year-old pal just before cops fired in the 11:45 p.m. incident, according to NYPD spokesman Paul Browne.


Police were investigating Sunday night whether the dead man with an epic rap sheet had arrived on the scene of the arrest thinking he had opportunity to rob some robbers — but they turned out to be plain-clothes narcotics detectives.


The strange outburst of violence in a quiet section of Ridgewood, Queens began when cops arranged a “buy and bust” from the alleged drug dealer at Gates and Seneca Aves., police said.


Rivera emerged from the building and saw the pair of detectives, so he swallowed a bag of crack cocaine, police said.


While arresting Rivera under a store awning, the acquaintance emerged from a livery cab, appearing “out of nowhere,” Browne said.


The man, whose name has not yet been released, asked the handcuffed Rivera what was happening, failing to notice the detectives’ badges, which witnesses said were visible.


He then pulled a Walther CP99 compressed air pistol from his waistband and pointed it at the cops, Browne said.


The gun bears a striking resemblance to a Glock 19 pistol.


Both detectives opened fire. A 48-year-old detective pulled the trigger on his Smith and Wesson pistol five times while the other, who is 42, shot once using his Glock 19. Three bullets struck the man in the leg and torso, police said.


It was the first time either officer had fired his gun while on duty, police said.


A worker at a nearby deli said pulling the BB gun was a horrifying mistake.


“The guy got killed because he had a BB gun," said Abdul Ali, 24, of the Classic Deli and Grocery near the crime scene. "How could (cops) tell it was fake? Especially when it's dark.”


Rivera later told cops the dead man seemed to suspect that Rivera was being robbed, and thought he could make some easy money, police sources said.


“It appears to be a crime of opportunity for the man with the imitation gun...but it's still under investigation," a police source said.


Other cops involved in the operation were inside Rivera’s building when the shooting occurred, a police source said.


Police said the man had a criminal history that included 39 prior arrests, including four in Miami.


The New York charges were mostly drug-related, and also included multiple arrests for first-degree robbery, criminal possession of a weapon, and assault, police said.


Rivera was charged with criminal sale of a controlled substance, tampering with physical evidence, and criminal possession of marijuana. He was unharmed but taken to the hospital after swallowing the bag of drugs, police said.


One Ridgewood resident wasn’t perturbed by the shooting.


"That's one less drug dealer in the neighborhood. Good for them," said Ricardo Valentine, 57, who lives next to the crime scene.

Warp 12-10-2012 19:35

39 prior arrests, huh?

Well, no worries about recidivism now

Berto 12-10-2012 19:40

Some may disagree, but 9mm+P is a ****load better than .177.

samurairabbi 12-10-2012 19:46

You knew this was coming:

Never bring a pellet gun to a gunfight

SJ 40 12-10-2012 19:52

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Originally Posted by Berto (Post 19721586)
Some may disagree, but 9mm+P is a ****load better than .177.

:rofl::rofl::rofl:
Any day and every day ! SJ 40

Warp 12-10-2012 20:01

Anybody else wondering how this is supposed to look like a Glock 19?

http://cdn101.iofferphoto.com/img/it.../walter1aa.jpg

samurairabbi 12-10-2012 20:14

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Originally Posted by Warp (Post 19721674)
Anybody else wondering how this is supposed to look like a Glock 19?

http://cdn101.iofferphoto.com/img/it.../walter1aa.jpg

... Of course, we have the advantage of.seeing the image in profile, with detached reflection at our disposal. Looking at the muzzle, I would have mistaken it for the Holland Tunnel!

LASTRESORT20 12-10-2012 20:19

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Originally Posted by Warp (Post 19721674)
Anybody else wondering how this is supposed to look like a Glock 19?

http://cdn101.iofferphoto.com/img/it.../walter1aa.jpg



~ "around 10:45 Saturday night when the man emerged from a car, pulled the weapon from his waistband and pointed it at the officers" ~

At that time of night *and circumstance....he probably would of been shot instantly if he pulled out a Black Wallet and waved/pointed it at the cops...



http://www.maxwellscottbags.com/medi...oin_wallet.jpg
Stupidity gets one killed.

WinterWizard 12-10-2012 22:19

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Originally Posted by Warp (Post 19721674)
Anybody else wondering how this is supposed to look like a Glock 19?

http://cdn101.iofferphoto.com/img/it.../walter1aa.jpg

No, I don't wonder because it was nighttime. And they said it "resembled" a Glock 19, not looked exactly like one. They were inferring that it looked like a modern pistol, which it does. And that is why they feared for their lives and were justified in use of force.

unit1069 12-10-2012 22:25

What most surprises me in the second account is that the two NYPD officers' guns are identified as a Smith & Wesson and Glock G-19. When was the last time a news story identified the weapons used without the purpose of vilifying the handgun?

Quote:

Both detectives opened fire. A 48-year-old detective pulled the trigger on his Smith and Wesson pistol five times while the other, who is 42, shot once using his Glock 19.
It seems to me that the perp Rivera is the cops' best witness, and that the dead man's pattern of criminal activity finally caught up with him in the most effective manner.

Quote:

“They're cops, you idiot,” the alleged drug dealer, Nolan Rivera, 33, told his 42-year-old pal just before cops fired in the 11:45 p.m. incident, according to NYPD spokesman Paul Browne.
The first account indicates that Rivera and the dead man were unknown to each other while the second account identifies the deceased as Rivera's "pal".

bmoore 12-11-2012 12:18

I have gone 31 years without being beat up, or shot by any Law Enforcement officers. Weird I know. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

SCmasterblaster 12-11-2012 13:54

BTW, how did you know what ammunition the LEOs were using?

Berto 12-11-2012 14:00

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Originally Posted by unit1069 (Post 19722243)
What most surprises me in the second account is that the two NYPD officers' guns are identified as a Smith & Wesson and Glock G-19. When was the last time a news story identified the weapons used without the purpose of vilifying the handgun?



It seems to me that the perp Rivera is the cops' best witness, and that the dead man's pattern of criminal activity finally caught up with him in the most effective manner.



The first account indicates that Rivera and the dead man were unknown to each other while the second account identifies the deceased as Rivera's "pal".

Don't they still have the option of using the 3rd gen Smiths..?
Maybe it might have been a J frame BUG too.

unit1069 12-11-2012 17:36

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Originally Posted by Berto (Post 19723930)
Don't they still have the option of using the 3rd gen Smiths..?
Maybe it might have been a J frame BUG too.

About the 3rd gen semi-auto Smiths I have no idea but if memory serves there are a lot of NYPD still carrying those Smith revolvers from what I've read.

All the article said is that one LEO drawed down on the dead guy with a Smith & Wesson and the second LEO used a Glock G-19. The dead guy picked the wrong time and place to stage his alleged crime of opportunity, ---------------- thankfully.

unit1069 12-11-2012 17:41

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Originally Posted by SCmasterblaster (Post 19723915)
BTW, how did you know what ammunition the LEOs were using?

I believe the OP assumes that the ammo used was Speer 124-grain Gold Dot +P because that's what NYPD issues to their police.

If Berto is correct in his guess that one LEO was packing a 3rd generation Smith and Wesson semi-auto and (we know) the second LEO was carrying a Glock G-19 it would follow that both handguns were loaded with NYPD-issued ammo.

SCmasterblaster 12-15-2012 14:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by unit1069 (Post 19724697)
I believe the OP assumes that the ammo used was Speer 124-grain Gold Dot +P because that's what NYPD issues to their police.

If Berto is correct in his guess that one LEO was packing a 3rd generation Smith and Wesson semi-auto and (we know) the second LEO was carrying a Glock G-19 it would follow that both handguns were loaded with NYPD-issued ammo.

Thanks, I missed that.

dcc12 12-16-2012 11:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Warp (Post 19721674)
Anybody else wondering how this is supposed to look like a Glock 19?

http://cdn101.iofferphoto.com/img/it.../walter1aa.jpg

No I'm thinking that if i'm looking down the working hole of any gun I'm not concerned with brand at that point in time.

SCmasterblaster 12-16-2012 12:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by unit1069 (Post 19724697)
I believe the OP assumes that the ammo used was Speer 124-grain Gold Dot +P because that's what NYPD issues to their police.

If Berto is correct in his guess that one LEO was packing a 3rd generation Smith and Wesson semi-auto and (we know) the second LEO was carrying a Glock G-19 it would follow that both handguns were loaded with NYPD-issued ammo.

9mm beats a pellet rifle every time.


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