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ithaca_deerslayer 11-28-2012 19:36

Lots of people applying for pistol permits in NYS
 
My wife has been teaching the required safety course to get a NYS permit to carry. Everybody wants a spot in her classes. Going like hot cakes, full up. Booking up the next classes for a couple months. Giving out phone numbers of other instructors' classes, in case they aren't all backed up too.

Was it the election? Who knows. Lots of people in NYS want a pistol permit :)

Gray_Rider 11-29-2012 00:30

A good sign but the people in the People's Republic of New York need to change their voting habits. As long as you aren't in the PRNYC, you just may have a chance of getting a CCW. There is a reason I won't live, vacation, or spend money in a PR state.
IE, any "May issue" state. May issue usually means fat chance of ever getting a CCW unless you are rich, a criminal, famous, or part of the political machine. Sounds too much like the People's Republicks across the pond, and the worker's para-dices south of the border. The ones with "death squads", disappearing dissidents, and rooms where the public can't hear your screams. Keep wasting your 'vacation with us' adds folks. I will never venture there.

Gray_Rider

SJ 40 11-29-2012 07:41

Recently attended a Utah permit class held on the Vermont side of the lake. Their were seven out of the thirty five in the class from NY state. SJ 40

fuzzy03cls 11-29-2012 07:42

What's the point of the class? You need a valid reason to get approved. And those are not easy to get.

Jeremy_K 11-29-2012 07:56

I'm lucky to live in a county that's easier (by NY standards) to get a carry permit. It's about a 2 month process and about $200 out of pocket. It surprises me to find out just how many people don't even know it's a felony to even possess a pistol in your own home without a permit in this state. The (R) voters are no competition for the big cities here.

ithaca_deerslayer 11-29-2012 08:15

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Originally Posted by fuzzy03cls (Post 19680875)
What's the point of the class? You need a valid reason to get approved. And those are not easy to get.

I don't have access to official data, but my guess is 99% of the people who take the required safety class get their "NYS permit to carry pistol". That is the most common pistol permit. Without a permit they cannot possess a handgun in NYS.

What I can't tell you is how many then have administrative restrictions placed on their permit. Those restrictions may say they can't carry unless hunting or target shooting. Or whatever else. They are administrative because the permit itself allows concealed carry with very few exceptions written in law. But if you violate the administrative restrictions, you can have your permit pulled.

The use of administrative restrictions (the conditions under which a judge says he/she is giving you a permit) vary by county, and vary by judges within counties, and vary by individual applicant.

All I can say is I'm unrestricted, my wife is unrestricted, and I know a lot of people who are unrestricted. I also know some people who are always heading to hunting, or on their way to target shooting. I also know that restrictions can be removed by persuading the judge to remove them. How to do that depends on the judge.

None of this pertatains to NYC, which has a whole different set of rules :)

Gunnut 45/454 11-29-2012 10:21

ithaca_deerslayer
So what did you use as the excuse to get the permit? Cause you have to justify it to a judge. There was a time where you could only get a permit if you transported large amounts of money or you had to be under extreme threat of death/violence! Basically unless the judge liked you- ie you supported his election -no permit! I always though it was funny the Gumba's all got there permits very easy but normal folks couldn't!:upeyes:

I didn't need any such excuse here in Idaho to get my permit-BGC pay my fee permit granted $60 done OC'd until it came!:supergrin:

ithaca_deerslayer 11-29-2012 14:57

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Originally Posted by Gunnut 45/454 (Post 19681335)
ithaca_deerslayer
So what did you use as the excuse to get the permit? Cause you have to justify it to a judge. There was a time where you could only get a permit if you transported large amounts of money or you had to be under extreme threat of death/violence! Basically unless the judge liked you- ie you supported his election -no permit! I always though it was funny the Gumba's all got there permits very easy but normal folks couldn't!:upeyes:

I didn't need any such excuse here in Idaho to get my permit-BGC pay my fee permit granted $60 done OC'd until it came!:supergrin:

I never even met the judge. I just listed a whole bunch of activities. And my occupation at the time was night crew chief in a grocery store. Came back "unrestricted".

jack76590 11-29-2012 17:22

Is a new york state permit issued outside of NYC good in NYC?

diamondd2 11-29-2012 17:34

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Originally Posted by jack76590 (Post 19682650)
Is a new york state permit issued outside of NYC good in NYC?

NO, nope, nada

ithaca_deerslayer 11-29-2012 19:44

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Originally Posted by jack76590 (Post 19682650)
Is a new york state permit issued outside of NYC good in NYC?

Only in the sense that I can legally drive through NYC to Long Island with a handgun locked unloaded in the trunk.

Gray_Rider 11-29-2012 20:38

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Originally Posted by Jeremy_K (Post 19680916)
It surprises me to find out just how many people don't even know it's a felony to even possess a pistol in your own home without a permit in this state. The (R) voters are no competition for the big cities here.

So sad that so many can't live w/o the strong boot heel of government control on their necks and their faces firmly squashed into the mud of apathy. Thousands flee their manure pit countries and then arrive ready, willing and able to vote this country into the same mess they fled from.

Gray_Rider



But then.....

Jeremy_K 11-30-2012 06:30

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Originally Posted by Gray_Rider (Post 19683482)
So sad that so many can't live w/o the strong boot heel of government control on their necks and their faces firmly squashed into the mud of apathy. Thousands flee their manure pit countries and then arrive ready, willing and able to vote this country into the same mess they fled from.

Gray_Rider



But then.....

There's no shortage of people here who think the government can take better care of them than themselves. I still can't wrap my head around the Bloomberg types either. A supposed Republican who is anti-gun yet travels around with his own armed security detail. He thinks only NYPD should have guns and we all know how well they shoot. The sad thing is I've left the state a few times for my military service/career and just keep coming back for family. Can't get them to jump ship. :dunno:

fx77 11-30-2012 06:52

NY has two types of Carry
Business-must prove reason to obtain and can carry 24/7
Target/Hunter-can only cary to and from the range or hunting trip
These are valid in all NY jurisdictions escept NYCity and Buffalo

SJ 40 11-30-2012 07:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gray_Rider (Post 19683482)
So sad that so many can't live w/o the strong boot heel of government control on their necks and their faces firmly squashed into the mud of apathy. Thousands flee their manure pit countries and then arrive ready, willing and able to vote this country into the same mess they fled from.

Gray_Rider



But then.....

Very Well said. SJ 40

Remington 870 11-30-2012 10:49

to answer jack 76590 New york city Licences are valid in upstate new york. but any upstate licence is invalid down in the comunist new york city.

Remington 870 11-30-2012 10:57

Mr.deer slayer that one statment about travel with a locked gun in your trunk is not true. you will get arrested if you get cought driving through the city with a locked and unloaded gun. nyc does not adhere to the federal laws. there have been many people that have gotten arrested in the airports through out nyc with there guns properly stored in checked baggage. even though its federal law nyc cops disregard any transporting of firearms by non police types.

BigAlE 11-30-2012 14:02

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Originally Posted by fx77 (Post 19684385)
NY has two types of Carry
Business-must prove reason to obtain and can carry 24/7
Target/Hunter-can only cary to and from the range or hunting trip
These are valid in all NY jurisdictions escept NYCity and Buffalo

This is wrong.

SCmasterblaster 11-30-2012 14:57

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Originally Posted by remington 870 (Post 19685119)
mr.deer slayer that one statment about travel with a locked gun in your trunk is not true. You will get arrested if you get cought driving through the city with a locked and unloaded gun. Nyc does not adhere to the federal laws. There have been many people that have gotten arrested in the airports through out nyc with there guns properly stored in checked baggage. Even though its federal law nyc cops disregard any transporting of firearms by non police types.

This is an outrage!

ithaca_deerslayer 11-30-2012 16:46

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Originally Posted by Remington 870 (Post 19685119)
Mr.deer slayer that one statment about travel with a locked gun in your trunk is not true. you will get arrested if you get cought driving through the city with a locked and unloaded gun. nyc does not adhere to the federal laws. there have been many people that have gotten arrested in the airports through out nyc with there guns properly stored in checked baggage. even though its federal law nyc cops disregard any transporting of firearms by non police types.

Of course my statement is true :)

I can't control what a particular cop will arrest for, but there is nothing illegal about traveling through NYC from upstate to Long Island with a properly locked unloaded handgun, and a valid NYS pistol permit to carry.

NYS law, Section 400, number 6 "Such a license to carry or possess shall be valid within the city of New York in the absence of a permit issued by the police commissioner of that city, provided... being transported by the licensee in a locked container and the trip through the city of New York is continuous and interrupted."

Gallium 11-30-2012 17:02

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Originally Posted by Remington 870 (Post 19685119)
Mr.deer slayer that one statment about travel with a locked gun in your trunk is not true. you will get arrested if you get cought driving through the city with a locked and unloaded gun. nyc does not adhere to the federal laws. there have been many people that have gotten arrested in the airports through out nyc with there guns properly stored in checked baggage. even though its federal law nyc cops disregard any transporting of firearms by non police types.


I've never been arrested for traveling THRU NYC or out of its two airports with handguns. To date I've had...over 3 dozen interactions with NYPD/Port Aut PD flying in/out with guns.

I've also been pulled over in the NYC area, guy saw the rifle case in my SUV type vehicle, he asked about it, I pointed out to him they were inaccessible to me while I was driving, and I had no passengers - that was the extent of it.

Do you have any links to any cases of people traveling THUR NYC with firearms properly secured who were arrested? Excluding flights out of JFK/LGA of course.

ithaca_deerslayer 11-30-2012 17:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by fx77 (Post 19684385)
NY has two types of Carry
Business-must prove reason to obtain and can carry 24/7
Target/Hunter-can only cary to and from the range or hunting trip
These are valid in all NY jurisdictions escept NYCity and Buffalo

No, a NYS permit to carry pistol is indeed valid in Buffalo. Also, the main type is not business related, although you do have to show good cause. See section 400 of NYS law for the specifics of the types of licenses.

Sgt_Gold 12-04-2012 16:52

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Originally Posted by Remington 870 (Post 19685119)
Mr.deer slayer that one statment about travel with a locked gun in your trunk is not true. you will get arrested if you get cought driving through the city with a locked and unloaded gun. nyc does not adhere to the federal laws. there have been many people that have gotten arrested in the airports through out nyc with there guns properly stored in checked baggage. even though its federal law nyc cops disregard any transporting of firearms by non police types.

AFAIK no NYS pistol license holder has been arrested at either of the NYC airports for checking baggage containing a handgun. I also don't know of a single motorist who has been arrested for transporting through NYC on their way to somewhere else.

There have been numerous non NY residents who have been arrested at NY airports because they did not have a NY pistol license. Please don't confuse the two and please don't spread rumors without fact.

Ducowti 12-04-2012 18:49

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Originally Posted by Sgt_Gold (Post 19700395)
AFAIK no NYS pistol license holder has been arrested at either of the NYC airports for checking baggage containing a handgun. I also don't know of a single motorist who has been arrested for transporting through NYC on their way to somewhere else.

There have been numerous non NY residents who have been arrested at NY airports because they did not have a NY pistol license. Please don't confuse the two and please don't spread rumors without fact.

This.

I recently traveled through LGA, checked my handgun, and the PA officer who cleared me commented there had been 5 non-res arrests in the previous week alone.

kaboom336 12-04-2012 22:50

Myself and my wife both have unrestricted concealed carry........permits issued by the current judge all have outdoor sports restrictions.......even for active duty LE.......because he can I guess:dunno:


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