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G-34 11-18-2012 16:34

to the folks who say 9mm would never equal 357
 
115 grain +p+ 1450 FPS and 501 ft/lbs!!!! HOLY ****:faint::faint::faint::faint::faint:



WiskyT 11-18-2012 16:37

Does it shoot 158 grainers at 1500fps?

G-34 11-18-2012 16:39

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Originally Posted by WiskyT (Post 19645377)
Does it shoot 158 grainers at 1500fps?




...that it does not do,,,, but energy wise its neck and neck with 357

what do your 158 grainers come in at energy wise?

uz2bUSMC 11-18-2012 16:41

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Originally Posted by kswiss (Post 19645389)
...that it does not do,,,, but energy wise its neck and neck with 357

what do your 158 grainers come in at energy wise?

Man, you're probably gonna get lit up soon. You might wanna just go look at .357 mag energy numbers at UW or Buff Bore...

G-34 11-18-2012 16:45

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Originally Posted by uz2bUSMC (Post 19645397)
Man, you're probably gonna get lit up soon. .


oh well. you know the saying, sticks and stones

G-34 11-18-2012 16:47

......yea i may have jumped the gun a little before posting,

have at me boys i probably deserve it,

still impressive for 9mm tho


flamesuit on! :wavey:

LASTRESORT20 11-18-2012 16:50

Great video ...Thanks for the share.

uz2bUSMC 11-18-2012 16:51

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Originally Posted by kswiss (Post 19645417)
......yea i may have jumped the gun a little before posting,

have at me boys i probably deserve it,

still impressive for 9mm tho


flamesuit on! :wavey:

You'll be ok.

G-34 11-18-2012 16:52

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Originally Posted by LASTRESORT20 (Post 19645425)
Great video ...Thanks for the share.



welcome, sir/maam

G-34 11-18-2012 16:53

the 9mm underwood out did this 357 mag

in BOTH velocity AND energy


uz2bUSMC 11-18-2012 17:00

Yep, in that test. I've really been wanting to use one of these > :popcorn:

oldman11 11-18-2012 17:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by WiskyT (Post 19645377)
Does it shoot 158 grainers at 1500fps?

No it doesn't.:whistling:

WiskyT 11-18-2012 17:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by kswiss (Post 19645389)
...that it does not do,,,, but energy wise its neck and neck with 357

what do your 158 grainers come in at energy wise?

789 ft/lbs

clarkz71 11-18-2012 17:11

789>501

G-34 11-18-2012 17:13

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Originally Posted by clarkz71 (Post 19645509)
789>501



789!? i wouldnt want to be on the receiving end of that:faint::wow:

WinterWizard 11-18-2012 17:29

And per usual with 9mm bullets pushed beyond their velocity limits, the penetration sucks.

Also, 501 ft/lbs doesn't come close to full power .357 Magnum loads. Shoot some 125gr Buffalo Bore .357 loads @ 1700 fps and tell me if these 115gr Underwood loads come close. I'll save you the time: they don't.

Sorry, this thread is a fail.

Berto 11-18-2012 17:35

Corbon used to load a 115gr +P+ .38sp that did over 1400fps in a 4" revolver.
They also loaded a +P 110gr .38sp that did over 1410fps in a snubby...

http://www.stoppingpower.net/forum/t...?TOPIC_ID=9596


Those Underwoods are hot, but it's been done before in 9mm and .38sp.

glock_19guy1983 11-18-2012 18:05

I would love to know what kind of powder Kevin is using in those. I wonder what they could run a 38 super up to if they tried.

bobtheelf 11-18-2012 20:15

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Originally Posted by kswiss (Post 19645365)
115 grain +p+ 1450 FPS and 501 ft/lbs!!!! HOLY ****:faint::faint::faint::faint::faint:

Underwood's .357 Sig JHPs are 125 grain at 1475 FPS...604 ft/lbs.

Just sayin'.:whistling:

That said, pretty impressive for 9mm!

SDGlock23 11-19-2012 07:14

My Gp100 just threw some handload 158gr bullets an average of 1535 fps for 827 ft-lbs of energy. Compared to the fast 115gr 9mm, it's 40+ grains heavier yet still faster, has considerably better sectional density and will penetrate a lot better as well. The 9mm is a good option, but it's not a .357 Magnum.

SCmasterblaster 11-19-2012 07:37

1430 FPS from a G19? It likely hits 1500 from a G17. Awesome.

SCmasterblaster 11-19-2012 07:41

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Originally Posted by SDGlock23 (Post 19647282)
My Gp100 just threw some handload 158gr bullets an average of 1535 fps for 827 ft-lbs of energy. Compared to the fast 115gr 9mm, it's 40+ grains heavier yet still faster, has considerably better sectional density and will penetrate a lot better as well. The 9mm is a good option, but it's not a .357 Magnum.

You are quite correct, sir. A casual examination of the cartridge cases confirms this. :cool:

unit1069 11-19-2012 09:20

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Originally Posted by WinterWizard (Post 19645582)
And per usual with 9mm bullets pushed beyond their velocity limits, the penetration sucks.

When I was new to firearms (not that long ago) I got caught up in velocity/energy numbers without knowing that it's the total cartridge and bullet design that creates effectiveness.

I feel quite comfortable with 9mm for self-defense and although I am currently carrying a +P round I also would feel good about carrying a standard pressure round like HST or Gold Dot, among others.

clarkstoncz 11-19-2012 09:33

Energy seems to be the real key to stopping power.

A .357 SIG, or .357 Magnum that has only 200 foot pounds of energy would be a dismal stopper.

SCmasterblaster 11-19-2012 12:20

I don't care who it is, or how hard they try - they'll never get the 9x19 cartridge to propel a 158gr SJHP at 1400-1500 FPS. The barrel length won't matter, either.


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