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Ljutic 11-18-2012 10:26

G17 and Federal HST 9mm +P 147 Grain
 
This load restores my faith in the 147 bullet weights for the 9mm. Pretty awesome performance in the clear gel.


LawScholar 11-18-2012 10:44

My friend recently got a G4 G17 for her first gun after she and I tested a bunch. I got her the 147-grain HST and we put the 17+1 pistol in a GunVault and I feel much better about her home and office security now. The expansion on that round is insane. It looks like a starfish of death when expanded.

cowboy1964 11-18-2012 12:06

Firing into bare gel and from a Glock 17 certainly helps the test.

Strange that the gel shot velocity came in quite a bit below the 5-shot velocity string. Just a statistical anomaly I suppose.

The non +P 147 HST is also good. For anyone ultra recoil sensitive this is about the best possible compromise between effectiveness and recoil that there is.


SCmasterblaster 11-18-2012 12:54

Great expansion!

9mm +p+ 11-18-2012 13:41

Still no way I'd carry a 147 load in a 9mm.

SCmasterblaster 11-18-2012 14:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by 9mm +p+ (Post 19644679)
Still no way I'd carry a 147 load in a 9mm.

I wouldn't either. 115gr JHP +p+ for me.

unit1069 11-18-2012 16:57

It seems to me that there's very little difference in performance between the standard pressure and +P 147-grain HST, so I guess that's a plus for anyone choosing this particular Federal round.

I still think the lighter 115- and 124/127-grain 9mm rounds have a more explosive wound track without losing anything in penetration.

jlavallee 11-18-2012 18:36

I've been using the non +p load as my primary carry load for years now. I did a bunch of tests on various media and it came down to the HST 147 or the HST 124 +p+ with the 124 +p Ranger T in third.

Thankfully I bought a couple of cases and I thought it was expensive then but compared to now, it is nothing.

SCmasterblaster 11-19-2012 14:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by jlavallee (Post 19645600)
I've been using the non +p load as my primary carry load for years now. I did a bunch of tests on various media and it came down to the HST 147 or the HST 124 +p+ with the 124 +p Ranger T in third.

Thankfully I bought a couple of cases and I thought it was expensive then but compared to now, it is nothing.

What kind of velocity did you get for the 9mm 124gr +p+ rounds?

Tiro Fijo 11-19-2012 15:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by SCmasterblaster (Post 19648436)
What kind of velocity did you get for the 9mm 124gr +p+ rounds?


There is no 124 gr. +p+ HST. It is only +p & standard. Fed. does however still make a 124 gr. +p+ Hydra Shok and it is next to worthless as it doesn't even break 1200 fps and rarely opens up if at all.

Ljutic 11-19-2012 20:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tiro Fijo (Post 19648602)
Fed. does however still make a 124 gr. +p+ Hydra Shok and it is next to worthless as it doesn't even break 1200 fps and rarely opens up if at all.

Wish I had seen this before I ordered a box yesterday to add to my testing stock. Oh well, I guess it's good to occasionally test bad ones too.

kenndapp 11-19-2012 21:52

the second video (for 147 standard) is from tnoutdoors9 (hope i spelled the name right.)

he also tested the +p. i think his meathods are pretty sound. i also think he may be a forum member.


i am pretty sure the reason the +p got 14" in the clear gel but only 11" in calibrated ballistics gel......... was the clear gel. just saying.
with greater expansion comes less penetration.

jlavallee 11-19-2012 22:14

Perhaps it was +p in the HST 124, I could have sworn it was a +P+ load but maybe I am wrong. I can confirm that the Hydra Shock load I tested was not very impressive but that was a 115gr. I didn't chrono but I did test into water jugs, drywall ahead of water jugs, phone books and a couple of layers of denim over a hog. I just wanted to see for myself and this was out of a G26.

As I remember I tried all three weights in the Speer GD, all three in Ranger T but I don't think the 127 was out then, a Corbon 115 +P, Magtech in the 20 rd boxes at 115gr, remington bulk HP 115gr and a few other ones I had laying around.

Anyway, up to then I had often carried a 124 GD and was surprised to find that it seemed to plug and not really expand in the hog. To be honest, none except the HST and the 124 Ranger always penetrated and expanded somewhat. The Ranger 147 didn't expand for me in the pig as was the problem for a lot of rounds. A buddy of mine had been carrying the CorBon 115 +P because that was at one point the Mas Ayoob recommended load and it didn't measure up either with good but never great performance. We really should have video taped it all but the whole test thing was a pretty quick decision while looking at ammo at a gun show.

In the end we ran another couple of boxes of HST and Ranger through other guns like a G17, P99, 92FS, kahr/kel tec thing and the 147 HST always did pretty well. Ranger seemed to need more velocity when we shot out of his little gun but no matter what, it seemed like the 147gr HST always expanded and penetrated pretty well. P9HST2 is the code for the one we went with although there is a +p 147 HST out now, I've never tried it. I've ran the P9HST2 through all the guns I carry for function and point of aim/impact and regardless of what new stuff comes out, I'm happy with HST and still have about a case left. We bought 5k between us afterward and I could cry because it was less than a grand with taxes in late 06' which we thought was pretty darn expensive especially buying in bulk.

http://i768.photobucket.com/albums/x...s/IMG_2478.jpg

kenndapp 11-19-2012 22:29

hearing those '06 prices makes me want to cry! and yes, this is an p9hst2 vs p9hst4 thread....i think. some one correct me if those are not right. i have a about 5 or 6 boxes of BOTH because i bought a half case of both and that's whats left after trying to find a damn advantage of one over the other. i still haven't decided which velocity variant of the 147gr i am more comfortable with.

Tiro Fijo 11-20-2012 00:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by jlavallee (Post 19650106)
...I can confirm that the Hydra Shock load I tested was not very impressive but that was a 115gr...


There has never been a Hydra Shok 9mm in 115 gr.

jlavallee 11-20-2012 02:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tiro Fijo (Post 19650369)
There has never been a Hydra Shok 9mm in 115 gr.

:upeyes: The stuff in the grey box that everyone used have for sale. Apparently that is Hi Shok and not Hydra Shock... :crying:

http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/AMM-4061

Ljutic 11-20-2012 14:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by kenndapp (Post 19650027)
the second video (for 147 standard) is from tnoutdoors9 (hope i spelled the name right.)

he also tested the +p. i think his meathods are pretty sound. i also think he may be a forum member.

i am pretty sure the reason the +p got 14" in the clear gel but only 11" in calibrated ballistics gel......... was the clear gel. just saying.
with greater expansion comes less penetration.

He is a forum member and seems to be a really good guy based on our exchange of messages via YouTube. I wouldn't compare the tests as there are too many other factors. Different barrel lengths, denim vs. no denim, and different media. The G17 test was only half the story as I also tested the same load in the short barrel PM9 but didn't post that test here because it wasn't shot from a Glock.

TWS G26 11-20-2012 22:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by kenndapp (Post 19650027)
the second video (for 147 standard) is from tnoutdoors9 (hope i spelled the name right.)

he also tested the +p. i think his meathods are pretty sound. i also think he may be a forum member.

Federal HST 9mm +P 147 gr JHP Ammo Test - YouTube

i am pretty sure the reason the +p got 14" in the clear gel but only 11" in calibrated ballistics gel......... was the clear gel. just saying.
with greater expansion comes less penetration.



Thanks for posting those. Yeah, I check in here every once in awhile, looking at the crap that I'm stirring up!

kenndapp 11-20-2012 22:17

hey tnoutdoors9! love the tests, great job! especially looking forward to the up coming rifle ammunition tests, particularly 5.56/223 and 7.62/.308 hunting/tac loads.

do you feel your test between 147gr hst +p and standard pressure 147gr hst were accurate?

and by that i mean..... if we were to take 147gr hst +p and standard pressure 147gr hst back to back in 100 different test in 100 different ways that the standard pressure would always penetrate more than the +p due to the wider expansion of the +p creating the parachute effect and slowing it down more rapidly?

unit1069 11-20-2012 22:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by kenndapp (Post 19653506)
hey tnoutdoors9! love the tests, great job!

I second that! Would love to see a test of the 9mm Fiocchi 115-grain Extrema XTP to see how it compares with the standard pressure 115-grain Speer Gold Dot posted a while back.

Those of us with small pocket 9mm pistols that the manufacturer warns against using +P need choices for our short-barrel pistols.


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