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plouffedaddy 11-12-2012 19:10

Oversized 870 Safety Recommendations
 
I'm looking to put an oversized safety on one of my 870s and I figured I'd poll the masses to see what your experiences have been. I'd like it to be durable, functional, and not break the bank.

Thanks in advance.

Buffering 11-12-2012 19:14

I had the Vang. Nice but too domed for me. It was like a fulcrum for my finger and I never quite got used to it.

Went to the S&J. This is love like a fat kid finding cupcakes. My finger slides over it as I reach into the trigger and once disengaged, my finger doesn't touch it. It's about 2/3 as tall as the Vang. This was the winner for me.

jb1911 11-12-2012 19:23

I also went with the S&J. It's like an automatic safety. Put your finger on the trigger and your trigger finger clicks it off without even having to think about it.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8147/7...c0ff7cde_b.jpg

4Rules 11-12-2012 19:27

I've used the Vang Comp and the Scattergun Technologies. The Vang Comp can't be missed, your trigger finger disengages it, but - on the other hand - it could be bumped OFF by accident. The Scattergun Technologies requires a more deliberate push by the tip of the triggerfinger to disengage, but then there is the possibility of your accidentally forgetting it in the ON position.

YMMV

Deployment Solu 11-12-2012 19:52

I am a huge Vang fan. His domed safety was the first and is still the best for me.

Mochahooligan 11-12-2012 21:15

Hey JB you have any trouble installing the safety from S&J?

aippi 11-12-2012 22:13

Wilson Combat is the best I have used. It works the same as a Speed Safety as you disengage it with the second joint of you trigger finger as you go to the trigger. Just as fast as any other out there. It is also the only over size safety that works with the SpecOps stock.

plouffedaddy 11-13-2012 11:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by aippi (Post 19625378)
Wilson Combat is the best I have used. It works the same as a Speed Safety as you disengage it with the second joint of you trigger finger as you go to the trigger. Just as fast as any other out there. It is also the only over size safety that works with the SpecOps stock.

Thanks J.D.

jb1911 11-13-2012 18:21

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Originally Posted by Mochahooligan (Post 19625139)
Hey JB you have any trouble installing the safety from S&J?

None at all. It took about 5 minutes.


aippi 11-13-2012 19:15

The video would be better if that idiot did not have his hands in the way. He is a very handsome guy but not real bright.

MarkCO 11-13-2012 20:07

So we won't do trigger jobs or use handloads due to "liability" put we will put oversized safeties on tactical shotguns that are "automatic" or "like it's not even there".

Not trying to rain on the parade, but I have investigated 3 fatal shootings with shotguns where the crossbolt safety in the trigger guard was accidentally pushed off just before the trigger was pressed. Sure, the laws of gun safety were violated, but a safety is still there for a reason. If no-one ever broke any of the laws of gun safety, we would not even need safeties on our guns. Two of them had oversized safeties.

aippi 11-13-2012 20:13

Your not raining on anyones parade in my opinion as yours is not a good example of anything. The deaths were caused by someone pointing a loaded weapon and pulling the trigger, not the type of safety on the weapon. Also, no matter what safety is on my weapon, I control it. I see nothing valid in your point what-so-ever.

MarkCO 11-13-2012 20:27

Sure J.D., you are probably safe with no safety, but the average person is not. Any mod must have a risk/benefit analysis, so pointing out something that is obvious to you and I may be something the average person has not considered.

In one case, the person fell, and grabbed the gun as it was headed into the mud, the gun went off and he killed his brother who was in front of him. Prior to the fall, the safety was on and the gun was pointed in a safe direction.

Buffering 11-13-2012 21:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by MarkCO (Post 19628514)
So we won't do trigger jobs or use handloads due to "liability" put we will put oversized safeties on tactical shotguns that are "automatic" or "like it's not even there".

Not trying to rain on the parade, but I have investigated 3 fatal shootings with shotguns where the crossbolt safety in the trigger guard was accidentally pushed off just before the trigger was pressed. Sure, the laws of gun safety were violated, but a safety is still there for a reason. If no-one ever broke any of the laws of gun safety, we would not even need safeties on our guns. Two of them had oversized safeties.

Interesting observation but I'd to follow that up with a question, namely, did the investigation reports conclude that the guns would not have discharged if they'd retained their stock safeties? You referenced one incident where the stock safety was in use suggesting, to me, that the safety was not at issue. What were the make and model of the shotguns in those incidents?

aippi 11-13-2012 21:24

I see your point more clearly now that you have explained some.

I don't use nor like the dome safety and I would bet those were involved. The Wilson on the other hand is flat and just slightly bigger then the Remington OEM. You have to train to disengage it with the second joint of the trigger finger. I have them on every Remington shotgun I own and it comes as natural as scratching my butt to me. Others new to this safety would have to train at it but once they are there they would find it just as fast as any of the over-size ones out there. And a lot safer based on the points you made.

MarkCO 11-14-2012 08:10

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Originally Posted by Buffering (Post 19628745)
Interesting observation but I'd to follow that up with a question, namely, did the investigation reports conclude that the guns would not have discharged if they'd retained their stock safeties? You referenced one incident where the stock safety was in use suggesting, to me, that the safety was not at issue. What were the make and model of the shotguns in those incidents?

I was the investigator. The inspection and analysis was performed, in all cases, with LE/Insurance/Manufacturer's reps present. AFAIK, all parties agreed with my conclusions in these three cases.

In the one with the stock safety, yes, it was an issue. In one of the other ones, I concluded that the stock safety still would have come off, in the other one, no.

I won't list the makes and models. However, J.D.'s assumption as to the style is accurate.

Buffering 11-14-2012 09:46

Thanks for your reply. In the one case that you determined that the stock safety would not have come off, can you share the facts of that case, in general terms? If you are unable or uncomfortable because of pending litigation or other matters, I understand.

Since the force to disengage the safety is the same regardless if stock or not, I'm curious how the shooter managed to discharge the firearm. Was that the instance where the gun was falling into the mud? Drugs or alcohol involved? Parties clowning around and someone saw the gun was falling?

4Rules 11-14-2012 12:16

The Vang Comp safety was too easy to disengage for me to be comfortable with it. The Scattergun Technologies strikes a much better balance of ease of use and positive function, in my opinion.

MarkCO 11-14-2012 12:32

In the case where the stock safety would not have been disengaged, we spent a lot of time on it. I had strain guages mounted on the safety buttons, triggers and trigger guards. Basically, due to the dimensions of the users hand (fat stubby fingers), he could not disengage the safety and fire the tirgger with ONE hand position. It had to be shifted.

In none of the cases was horseplay, drugs or alcohol indicated.

scccdoc 11-14-2012 12:33

I've shot Remingtons for 45 years. I think the safety is just fine. Why would I (or anyone else ) want to "train" themselves for a new safety OR use a less "safe" safety. Not trying to be harsh, just don't understand the necessity.............DOC


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