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FireForged 11-10-2012 10:45

New AWB (no grandfather clause)??
 
So the media outlets are saying that feinseins new AWB will not contain any grandfathering???

Can this be true?

I cant imagine the Gov taking thousands of dollars worth of property away from even a single person. I would think that there would have to be a grandfather clause of some sort.

Dalton Wayne 11-10-2012 11:16

How would they know who has what? 4473 just list type of gun long gun, handgun,

Glockdude1 11-10-2012 11:17

Think positive. No ban of any kind will happen.

:cool:

cowboywannabe 11-10-2012 11:24

the obama supporters on here say no such ban will happen.

Jerry 11-10-2012 11:32

Nothing from Frankenstein concerning firearms would surprise me. The socialists want ALL firearms out of our hands. I can't remember right now which Demorat it was that wanted the "little flip up thingy on the barrel" outlawed (her words) :upeyes: I really don't think the Republiccants will give them anything. I hope! :dunno:

expatman 11-10-2012 11:34

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Originally Posted by Jerry (Post 19616180)
Nothing from Frankenstein concerning firearms would surprise me. They socialists want them ALL out of our hands. I can't remember right now which Demorat it was that wanted the "little flip up thingy on the barrel" outlawed (her words) :upeyes: I really don't think the Republiccants will give them anything. I hope! :dunno:

This video is of Cynthia or Carolyn McCarthy.

Jerry 11-10-2012 11:36

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Originally Posted by expatman (Post 19616193)
This video is of Cynthia McCarthy.
Carolyn McCarthy - YouTube

Oh yes, that's the MORON. Thanks for the refresher.

Hef 11-11-2012 14:37

Banning them is one thing. Coming to take them is quite another.

640400 11-11-2012 16:06

Someone should put a mouth device on her. A muzzle.

Gregoire G 11-11-2012 16:59

Some of you guys may know, but isn't there a law that says there can be no unfunded mandates? Even if congress passed passed such a law, they would have to provide funding to make it happen. Seem like that would be very expensive.

humanguerrilla 11-11-2012 17:10

I think we are likely to see no grandfathering in the sense of the last three failed assault weapons ban renewal bills where all transfers of "assault weapons" are banned so there aren't transferable/ legally sellable grandfathered preban guns. I think similar restriction on "assault weapon" "parts kits" will also make repair and maintenance more interesting.

rednoved 11-11-2012 17:48

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Originally Posted by Jerry (Post 19616180)
Nothing from Frankenstein concerning firearms would surprise me. The socialists want ALL firearms out of our hands. I can't remember right now which Demorat it was that wanted the "little flip up thingy on the barrel" outlawed (her words) :upeyes: I really don't think the Republiccants will give them anything. I hope! :dunno:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_iIgGzjVNEA...rel+shroud.jpg

Keoking 11-11-2012 18:47

You're looking at this all wrong. Asking for the full ban is the best thing for everyone, and here's why.
On the anti-gun side, it shows that they are "doing the right thing" and taking a strong stand.
On the pro-gun side, this makes it all but impossible for the law to pass.
We should be more afraid of them trying to nibble away at our rights from the shadows.

Keyhole 11-11-2012 19:07

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Originally Posted by Keoking (Post 19620891)
You're looking at this all wrong. Asking for the full ban is the best thing for everyone, and here's why.
On the anti-gun side, it shows that they are "doing the right thing" and taking a strong stand.
On the pro-gun side, this makes it all but impossible for the law to pass.
We should be more afraid of them trying to nibble away at our rights from the shadows.

Interesting perspective.
:thumbsup:

krisspy 11-11-2012 19:23

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Originally Posted by Keoking (Post 19620891)
You're looking at this all wrong. Asking for the full ban is the best thing for everyone, and here's why.
...
We should be more afraid of them trying to nibble away at our rights from the shadows.

I have to agree. I'd rather see "them" try to pass an all-encompassing AWB (that will almost certainly be defeated) rather than see an attempt to ban online ammo sales.

jack76590 11-12-2012 17:21

I believe the most likely threat is a tax on guns and ammo to fund obumacare.

Walk Soft 11-12-2012 17:36

"little flip up thingy on the barrel" outlawed

the sights?:dunno:

concretefuzzynuts 11-12-2012 17:53

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Originally Posted by Hef (Post 19620139)
Banning them is one thing. Coming to take them is quite another.

I mean no disrespect, as I know you are pro-gun.

But it is a political game of chipping away, to them. They start small and end big.

I do not want, and hope to stop, the "small" stuff in order to stop the eventual take over of the federal government.

SDDL-UP 11-14-2012 21:56

expatman

THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU!!!

LOL!

These are the people that want to regulate everything about our lives! Oh my!!!

Morons. All of them. They don't even know what they are voting for anyway - really! Sheep to the slaughter... but, but, but... all the way there!

old wanderer 11-17-2012 18:38

Got admit it is fun to live in interesting time...

In casual talks with my LEO friends, they just laugh when the talk comes up about bans and confiscation....."Who is going to risk their lives to enforce such an unconstitutional law"

Do you think Big Sis will accomplish the stated goal of Obama to "have a civilian defense force equal to and as well equipped as our military". ? If so who will serve in it?

Maye we all should volunteer, and then take it apart from the inside...

t4terrific 11-17-2012 19:03

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Originally Posted by old wanderer (Post 19642440)
Got admit it is fun to live in interesting time...

In casual talks with my LEO friends, they just laugh when the talk comes up about bans and confiscation....."Who is going to risk their lives to enforce such an unconstitutional law"

Do you think Big Sis will accomplish the stated goal of Obama to "have a civilian defense force equal to and as well equipped as our military". ? If so who will serve in it?

Maye we all should volunteer, and then take it apart from the inside...

Yeah right!

First of all, cops don't have civilian friends. Second, cops enforce laws regardless of constitutionality, and regardless of personal convictions. They do what they're told. Bottom line. They certainly aren't concerned with a civilian's ability to have weapons

Hef 11-17-2012 19:16

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Originally Posted by t4terrific (Post 19642510)
Yeah right!

First of all, cops don't have civilian friends. Second, cops enforce laws regardless of constitutionality, and regardless of personal convictions. They do what they're told. Bottom line. They certainly aren't concerned with a civilian's ability to have weapons

Yeah, because all cops are mindless robots.

oldman11 11-17-2012 19:16

Quote:

the "little flip up thingy on the barrel" outlawed
Oh that's funny. Don't know what it is or what it's for, but lets outlaw it. :dunno:

Jerry 11-17-2012 22:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by old wanderer (Post 19642440)
Got admit it is fun to live in interesting time...

In casual talks with my LEO friends, they just laugh when the talk comes up about bans and confiscation....."Who is going to risk their lives to enforce such an unconstitutional law"

Do you think Big Sis will accomplish the stated goal of Obama to "have a civilian defense force equal to and as well equipped as our military". ? If so who will serve in it?

Maye we all should volunteer, and then take it apart from the inside...

Not saying it will happen, but to answer you question who will. Ask the people of New Orleans. "some" local and imported cops and Feds that's who. The UN is chomping at the bit for the chance too. I don't foresee it in the near future but the people in New Orleans didn't believe it would ever happen either. Never say never or it "can't" happen.

Chris Brines 11-17-2012 23:09

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Originally Posted by FireForged (Post 19616034)
So the media outlets are saying that feinseins new AWB will not contain any grandfathering???

Can this be true?

I cant imagine the Gov taking thousands of dollars worth of property away from even a single person. I would think that there would have to be a grandfather clause of some sort.

All I have to say is if someone thinks in the United States of America that they are gonna just waltz on in everyone's house and steal whatever property they want, those people are criminals and should be dealt with as such. I don't give a damn who they are. This is not England, this is not North Korea, Cuba or Venezuela.

It's simple...in case anyone doesn't have the Bill of Rights memorized (FACT: Many gun owners only know the first 2), then here I will gladly post all 10 amendments below for you to lock into your memory. You will see that many of the people currently (and formerly) occupying our government have already violated those in many ways.


Bill of Rights: (1st 10 Amendments to the Constitution):

Amendment 1

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Amendment 2

A well regulated Militia, (this means an armed public, anyone who knows anything about the founding fathers' vision for America, knows that), being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Amendment 3

No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.

Amendment 4

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Amendment 5

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

Amendment 6

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.

Amendment 7

In Suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise re-examined in any Court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.

Amendment 8

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

Amendment 9

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

Amendment 10

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.


After reading this, it's pretty clear that our government does not respect our freedom, and we all know they have zero interest in keeping us safe from criminals. So as far as I am concerned, they can ban whatever guns they want, but never will the day come that I just hand over any that I currently own or will own in the future. I'd cut them in half with a torch before I did that. But I wouldn't do that either. But if you stop and think about the rush to buy guns because people think they are gonna be banned, it's pretty obvious not many people plan on "handing them over" either. And Feinstein, **** that old witch.


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